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Okay. Question 1. It is a little confusing about whether or not a flying character can be TKed while carrying another person. I know that they can be Tked while they are carrying an object, but there is not rule clarification....that I can find that says that a TKer cannot TK a flying figure carrying another figure.
Question 2. Can a Super Strength Figure pick up an object as a free action and then not move? Based on what I have read it seems that picking up an object is only a free action when it is combined with movement.
It seems to me that there is a lot of abuse of this free action.
If we do exactly as it is defined....we should not be able to have Super Strength Characters be able to pick up an object before being TKed, and then using their charge power to attack an opposing character. There should be no break in the free action to the power action (charge) to the CC attack free action.
It would be okay to TK a person with Super Strength and then they could Charge (power action) and then pick up the object (free action) in the midst of their charge attacke (free action CC attack. Thus there is no contradiction
Too often I have heard of people describing stories of doing major damage against an opposing team in the first round of their turn by using TK with a Super Strength Character who has an object. How does this occur? Picking up an object needs to be combined with a movement action or with the Charge power (after you have been TKed and you pick up the object as you Charge the intended figure. You can't pick up an object...get TKed and then and then use it with a Close Combat or Ranged Combat Action.
This goes against the definition:
Characters cannot pick up an object on the same turn they are given a close or ranged combat action.
All of you with greater wisdom than I. Please elaborate or agree!
Originally posted by silvebaroo Okay. Question 1. It is a little confusing about whether or not a flying character can be TKed while carrying another person. I know that they can be Tked while they are carrying an object, but there is not rule clarification....that I can find that says that a TKer cannot TK a flying figure carrying another figure.
Flyers can only carry other characters during the action. At the end of thier movement, they put down the carried character. Also, you cannot perform an action in the middle of another action, unless something specifically says that you can (RS or Charge, for example, allows you to use a free Ranged or Close Combat Action). So, the TKer will not be able to use TK in the middle of a flyer's action, and the carried character will be set down at the end of the flyers action.
So, in short, you cannot do this.
Question 2. Can a Super Strength Figure pick up an object as a free action and then not move? Based on what I have read it seems that picking up an object is only a free action when it is combined with movement.
You can only pick up objects when given an action in which you move, either a Move Action, or a Power Action like RS, Charge, or Phasing.
It seems to me that there is a lot of abuse of this free action.
If we do exactly as it is defined....we should not be able to have Super Strength Characters be able to pick up an object before being TKed, and then using their charge power to attack an opposing character. There should be no break in the free action to the power action (charge) to the CC attack free action.
There is no break in any action. If you pick up an object, then you have moved, and can no longer be given any non-free actions for the remainder of the turn. As I stated above, you cannot use TK in the middle of another action.
It would be okay to TK a person with Super Strength and then they could Charge (power action) and then pick up the object (free action) in the midst of their charge attacke (free action CC attack. Thus there is no contradiction
Perfectly legal.
Too often I have heard of people describing stories of doing major damage against an opposing team in the first round of their turn by using TK with a Super Strength Character who has an object. How does this occur? Picking up an object needs to be combined with a movement action or with the Charge power (after you have been TKed and you pick up the object as you Charge the intended figure. You answered your own question here. You can't pick up an object...get TKed and then and then use it with a Close Combat or Ranged Combat Action. Correct. You cannot.
This goes against the definition:
Characters cannot pick up an object on the same turn they are given a close or ranged combat action.
This line can be a bit misleading. As per the rulings of the RA, RS and Charge are an exception to this rule. Under normal circumstances, you cannot move (to pick up the object) and attack in the same turn. RS and Charge allow this, so you can pick up an object and use it in the same turn if you are using these powers.
All of you with greater wisdom than I. Please elaborate or agree!
I believe the answer to both of your questions is no.
1. Can a flying character carring someone be TKed?
In order for a character to be carried, the carrier must pick them up before they begin movement and set them down at the end of the movement. The flying character can only be TK when it is the TKing character's turn. In order for a flyer to be TKed while carring someone else, you would have to activate the flyer twice; the flyer so they can pick-up their passanger, the TKer to do the TKing, then the flyer to set their passanger down.. This, however, is not legal, so no a flying character can't be TKed while carring someone else.
2. Can a super strength/charge character pick-up an object, be TKed, then attack? Again no, for the same reason as number 1. You can't activate the ss/c character to pick-up the object, then activate your TKer, then activate the ss/c character again to attack. You could TK an object to your ss/c character, them charge, or TK your ss/c character then have them pick-up an object as part of their charge. But you can't interupt their turn with your TKers turn.
Once again I appreciate everyones help in defining or clarifying the different rules....or interpretations of the rules.
Sorry about Question 1.....since it really was just a different form of Question 2.
I do think that a lot of people abuse the free action part of picking up objects because they do not tie it into the movement part of the action.
Thus I am assuming that if all a character (with super strength) wanted to do was pick up the object that is adjacent to them.......that would still result in an action token being placed even if they don't move? Correct?
Sorry for the last post. Psychlockelover already answered this above. I read through too quickly....and then when I read through again I saw that he had already answered this.
Psylochelover....one of the reasons that I am trying to get a better understanding of all these rules is that I am thinking about becoming an Envoy. So I am trying to think of different situations that could come up.......they came up in some of our earlier games....and I want to be able to Judge them correctly if I ever do become an Envoy.