just somthin i noticed, will submerged work with tempist abbility?

TEMPEST: summon the ellements-tempest can use charge, clear grounded terrain 3 or fewer squares from tempest that does not contain objects or debrie tokens is water terrain

SUBMERGED-when the character occupies water terain, lines of fire are blocked

i ask because im not sure if hes considerd occuping water terain....
also this mean that with the exception of flying figs hes un chargable initily right?

Tempest's special power turns clear terrain into water terrain, so he should be more or less permanently submerged yes.
Fortunately there are many ways around it - and figures both ignore the water terrain when moving, as does figures with the Unstoppable or Swingline feats.

Only when she charges does the terrain change. The reason is the comma between the word "charge" and "clear". So her power should read "Tempest can use charge, when she does,clear grounded terrain...blah, blah.

no i ment he cant be charged not he cant charge

but thanks for the quick responses

The ability to use Charge and the change of clear terrain to water terrain are two separate effects of "Summon the Elements". As long as "Summon the Elements" is showing on Tempest's dial, clear terrain not containing objects, terrain markers or debris is water terrain.

No props for Ultimates/Superman Ally?

You could also TK an object underneath Tempest, which would make him visible, then take some shots.

That's implausible, because it wouldn't actually accomplish anything. Also, the power as we have it obviously contains typos-- I don't know what the punctuation is on the actual card.

Good idea... Note that this won't work in general versus submerged. It just works because Tempest's special power only makes water in clear terrain.

I just looked at the power description and it is a period, so Speedster has a correct description. So long as the power shows on the dial the terrain is considered water.