ok i just got the maneuver feat so can i use it with kid flash since he has the symble or do i need to have close combat expert or combat reflexes to .

You must meet all of the prerequisites of a feat in order to use said feat. In this case, the prerequisites are followed by CCE or CR.

So + Close Combat Expert? Good to go.

+ Combat Reflexes? Also fine.

Any other movement symbol + CCE or CR? Nope.

but no CCE or CR? Also nope.

Wizkids is getting sloppy with the prerequisites. I would read it as you need And Close Combat Expert or Combat Reflexes.

Indeed, it could have been much more clearly defined...

... but this is the correct usage.

ok thanks for the heads up .

Is that how you would read Shellhead too?
Shellhead:

they seem to be hit or miss on using "ands" and "ors". It makes it much more clear on the ones that they do.

No, because of the comma placement.

Shellhead has a several commas... including one right before the "or", indicating that the entire list is a set of alternatives.

Manuever, meanwhile, has only the one comma and it is placed before the two choices separated by the "or", indicating that those two choices (the CR or CCE) are separate and distinct from the item preceeding the comma (the ).

Again, it could have been much more clearly worded. and either CCE OR CR, for example, would have been much better.

Has this been officially ruled on?

Grammatically speaking, the comma makes the boot symbol part of
a series along with the other two pre-reqs. Meaning that you need
either the boot, CCE, or CR.

I understand this may have not been the intent, but have they cleared it up?

HeroClix has its own set of grammar rules. How exciting.

yes it has, and you only need one of the three.

Prerequisite: {boot}, Close Combat Expert or Combat Reflexes

Choose a character.

When the character make a close combat attack against a target opposing character, after the attack is resolved, put the target in any unoccupied square adjacent to the character.

So it is any of the three?

Good to know; I was inclined to Norm's POV on this

Not that I'm complaining, but where was this posted??

Indeed. I must admit that I am surprised by this news; I almost have to wonder if this is an 'off-the-cuff-before-I-take-it-to-GD' ruling or if this is the final answer. I'll have to do some digging around to see.

As it is, though, the fact that any boot character can potentially use the feat seems waaaaaaaaaay too unbalanced for the point cost.


EDIT - I found the clarification mentioned (and a bit more besides) on the Judges forum at WK. Obviously, that is not how I originally interpretted the card (and I think it is now grossly undercosted), but clarification is always nice. FYI, here are some more of the RA's comments on the wording:

[Other poster] So then Shockwave is Damage Symbol or Quake? Since there is only a comma separating them it is an implied or?

[nbperp] No. There is not "or". Therefore it is a list of prerequisites that are necessary. With Maneuver, there is an "or".

"a, b" - clearly means you need to have a and b.

"a, b or c" - is not clear. It could mean "a and (b or c)". It could also mean "a or b or c". A legitimate question and needed clarification.

I can't wait to see Aunt May or Lian Harper start tossing Sentinels and Starros around