i just can't seem to find the rule where hte standard combat symbols can't be countered, in the blackest night PAC, unlike in the FF rulebook it says specifically : but in blackest night it only says, please clear me out on this, cos if standard symbols can now be countered, i can now go ahead and outwit the fist symbol of a fig, having it as a prereq for fortiude, so that the fig won't be able top use his fortitude..

Scroll down this thread a bit for Harpua's answer to a similar question.

http://hcrealms.com/forum/showthread...hlight=possess

In short, you can't counter the "symbol". You counter (outwit) the ability granted by the symbol. I don't believe you can nerf Fortitude the way you describe.

right! so the ff rules and blackest night still say the same thing, and, i just read the blackest night PAC again and it also says:
"Non-standard combat symbols on a character’s base indicates that they possess combat abilities. Combat abilities can be countered."
so this will be the replacement for the FF sentence bolded in my earlier post, and it's much clearer that since standard symbols doesn't possess combat abilities, they can't be countered, implying another important fact, that the standard symbols itself can't be countered/removed, only the combat abilities of special symbols..