I noticed in the Fantastic Four, 2010, and 2011 Rulebooks that there may be a loophole in the rules in regards to victory points and feats.

Since the 2011 Rulebook is the newest, I'll just quote that one since the older ones are irrelevant at this point.

The section in question:

Feats and Victory Points; p 20

This section is broken down into 4 bullet points.

Bullet Points 1-3, for scoring purposes in regards to feats, a defeated character(s) is dependent on scoring the points for the feats.

Bullet Point 4 is for removing feats from surviving characters, but scoring is dependent on the character taking damage, since the last opposing character to damage the feared character would be the one squaring the victory points.

However, there is no provision for scoring victory points for feats on surviving characters who have not taken any damage.

For example:

Iron Man has been assigned Alias. Iron Man has taken no damage yet. Opponent B attacks Iron Man, Iron Man uses Alias and succeeds. Alias is removed from play.

Since Iron Man has not taken damage, it appears that Opponent A or Opponent B (if more than two players) would NOT score the points for Alias, since Bullet Point 4 is clearly dependent on Iron Man taking any damage.

Is this a loophole or is it designed this way?

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i wouldnt call it a loophole. sounds more like a poophole.

p.s. god bless america

That is an excellent catch. I do not think that was intentional, but I'll check on that.

I was just re-reading the entire rulebook, so I can memorize as much as I can, and when I got to page 16, under Determining Victory Points, under the subsection Feats and Event Dials I found this:

... If no opponents damages the character, the points are divided evenly.

So it appears that in the scenario I put above, even though Iron Man was damaged, by using Alias the opponent(s) would get the points for it.

Maybe in the upcoming 2012 Core Rules maybe the section in question (page 20) can be clarified a bit to avoid any confusion and to match what page 16 states.

Well, getting really late here, gotta get up for work soon, so I'll go read a bit more rules then crash.

1. Welcome back VGA.

2. I wondered about this at one point and quickly dismissed it. (Of COURSE I would get the points for Alias)

3. I think I fixed your post? You meant to say "not damaged?"

4. "The points are divided evenly" would mean that in a 3-way match both opponents would get 2 VPs each for the Alias? (3 /2 and rounded up?)

Ah! Problem solved.

Actually, the problem isn't solved. That particular sentence has nothing to do with feats. The whole paragraph goes like this:

When playing with more than 2 players, victory points from defeated characters or removed objects go to the player who was active when the character was defeated. If a character was defeated on its owners turn, the opponent that has most recently damaged the character earns the points. If no opponents damaged the character, the points are divided evenly.

Nothing about feats there.

The reason one might think it talks about feats too is because that paragraph is directly below this paragraph:

Feats and Event Dials. If you used these Tactics in the battle, see Part 4 for more on how they affect victory points.

But just like the paragraph above this one (which is about scoring ATAs), this paragraph isn't linked to the one that follows it.

Oh wow, you are correct. I thought that the first paragraph was connected to the second paragraph since there wasn't a space between paragraphs.

So it seems we are back to square one, and the way it is now, I can use Alias and my opponent won't get the points as long as I haven't taken damage by the time I use it. Yay!