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Ok, so I was in a discussion about the new Theme Team rules. Couple points of disagreeing came about.
1) Does your entire team need to share the keyword? Or can you have five figures with the keyword and two without?
I said they all needed the keyword. Just as if you're using Noh-Varr on a full Animal or Cosmic Theme and you use his Trait, he now lacks the keyword and thus loses you theme.
The other person said they needed only the requisite number to meet the Theme Requirements and that you can then add on additional figures without the keyword while still maintaining theme.
Am I in the right or is he?
2) Theme Team Prob Control. I said any character can be assigned the action token. The other person said that only a character with the Theme Keyword may be assigned the action.
Technically we're both right as to have theme they all need to share the same Keyword.
3) This one has to do with the use of Feats. He, the judge, was talking about how you can use Auto Regen on a character even when they don't have Regen currently showing on the dial. I mentioned that it needs to be showing.
I wanted to point it out more thoroughly, but I could tell he was getting angry. Being that it was only my second time attending this venue I didn't want to be the dink that started a fight by correcting the judge in front of everyone. I even went as far as asking if it was a house rule for the venue, as they have one that allows players to build 5pts over so long as those points only go towards characters.
4) Basing an opposing figure shuts down Pulsewave. By this time I was tired and didn't feel like interjecting and just decided to make this thread here that I will send him a link to later. Pulsewave used to be shut down by basing an opposing figure, that's not the case anymore. Right?
If possible I'd appreciate an Orange to comment on this so there's no room for disagreement.
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1) Does your entire team need to share the keyword? Or can you have five figures with the keyword and two without?
I said they all needed the keyword.
You are correct:
Quote : Originally Posted by 2011 Rulebook, pg 21
Themed teams are forces of HeroClix characters in which all characters share at least one common keyword among the keywords listed on their character cards.
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2) Theme Team Prob Control. I said any character can be assigned the action token. The other person said that only a character with the Theme keyword may be assigned the action.
He is correct. It's relevant for two reasons:
Bystanders can be included without breaking theme, but they can't use theme probs, since they don't have the keyword.
Characters that are replaced by other characters (alter egos, etc.) that don't have the theme keyword. You don't lose the probs, as themeiness is only checked at the beginning of the game, but if the new char doesn't have the keyword, he can't use the probs.
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3) This one has to do with the use of Feats. He, the judge, was talking about how you can use Auto Regen on a character even when they don't have Regen currently showing on the dial. I mentioned that it needs to be showing.
You are correct. Feats can be assigned to any character, but "to use a feat, the character must possess or be able to use the game effects, powers, and abilities specified by the prerequisites of the feat." (2011 Rulebook, pg 20)
The prereq for Auto Regen is Regen. So if you can't use Regen on your current click, you can't use the feat.
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4) Basing an opposing figure shuts down Pulsewave. Pulsewave used to be shut down by basing an opposing figure, that's not the case anymore. Right?
Right. It used to, but now it doesn't.
Quote : Originally Posted by 2011 PAC, Pulse Wave
Make a single ranged combat attack (even if this character is adjacent to an opposing character)
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Being that it was only my second time attending this venue I didn't want to be the dink that started a fight by correcting the judge in front of everyone.
He is correct. It's relevant for two reasons:
Bystanders can be included without breaking theme, but they can't use theme probs, since they don't have the keyword.
Characters that are replaced by other characters (alter egos, etc.) that don't have the theme keyword. You don't lose the probs, as themeiness is only checked at the beginning of the game, but if the new char doesn't have the keyword, he can't use the probs.
I remember the bystanders being changed, well I remember hearing about this but don't recall where exactly this was listed.
Where exactly is it listed that the alter egos and such can't be given the token. If I'm wrong then I'll admit it, as this was the only one you forgot to leave a page reference.
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Record vs VGA d1sc1pL3: W-3 L-0
I remember the bystanders being changed, well I remember hearing about this but don't recall where exactly this was listed.
Where exactly is it listed that the alter egos and such can't be given the token. If I'm wrong then I'll admit it, as this was the only one you forgot to leave a page reference.
Nowhere specifically....but it does now say that they have to have the keyword to be able to use the PC. So when you switch in a figure with the AE mechanic, the new figure MIGHT have different keywords. If they don't have the keyword that you made your theme team with, then that figure can't be used for the prob control anymore.
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Cool, thanks for that. I've been playing since day one and I'd say I'm fairly knowledgeable with about 90-95% of the rules. Though when things update or change I may miss things. If I'm unsure I always like to check here for clarification.
Sometimes I even brainfart on rules, like when I Probbed my Ridiculous Regen roll in the second game. Not that it mattered though as apparently the game had ended five minutes prior to my two previous figures being KO'd thus losing the game. Though my opponent and I had already moved on to the next turn before an outside player brought it up to the judge. So we were just letting it slide as we did when I forgot to have him take Mystic damage, even though I remembered just as he was ending his turn.
WizKids GamePlay, "You can only play our game if you buy the new stuff. Those old figures are dirty and obsolete."
Record vs VGA d1sc1pL3: W-3 L-0
1) Does your entire team need to share the keyword? Or can you have five figures with the keyword and two without?
All 3D characters on your team must have the keyword to be a themed team. Bystanders are the only characters that can be on your team without the keyword.
Quote : Originally Posted by Rulebook, page 21
Themed teams are forces of HeroClix characters in which all characters share at least one common keyword among the keywords listed on their character cards. ... Bystander tokens can be included in your force although they do not have keywords, but they are not considered “characters” for the purpose of bonuses or counting characters for qualifications described below.
Quote : Originally Posted by Mr. Cranberry
2) Theme Team Prob Control. I said any character can be assigned the action token. The other person said that only a character with the Theme Keyword may be assigned the action.
Incorrect. In order to use TTPC, the character must have the keyword.
Quote : Originally Posted by Rulebook, page 21
The character using Probability Control in this way:
• Must possess the keyword that establishes the theme of the force.
This means that Bystanders could not use TTPC. In addition, it could mean that I'm playing with, say, Norman Osborn on a Thunderbolts team. But I happen to AE him into Iron Patriot. My team is STILL a Themed Team. But Iron Patriot can't use TTPC.
Quote : Originally Posted by Mr. Cranberry
3) This one has to do with the use of Feats. He, the judge, was talking about how you can use Auto Regen on a character even when they don't have Regen currently showing on the dial. I mentioned that it needs to be showing.
You are correct.
Quote : Originally Posted by Rulebook, page 20
To use a feat, the character must possess or be able to use the game effects, powers, and abilities specified by the prerequisites of the feat.
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4) Basing an opposing figure shuts down Pulsewave. By this time I was tired and didn't feel like interjecting and just decided to make this thread here that I will send him a link to later. Pulsewave used to be shut down by basing an opposing figure, that's not the case anymore. Right?
This used to work like that, but Pulse Wave changed in 2011 to say:
Quote : Originally Posted by 2011 PAC
Give this character a ranged combat action; halve its range value un-til the action has been resolved. Draw lines of fire to all characters within range in every direction; these lines of fire are only blocked by walls, blocking and elevated terrain. All game effects possessed or used by other characters with a line of fire drawn to them are ignored until the action has been resolved. At least one opposing character must have a line of fire drawn to it to activate this power. If ignoring a game effect would cause a character with a line of fire drawn to it to no longer have a line of fire drawn to it, then it is not ignored. If lines of fire can be drawn to two or more characters, this character’s damage value becomes 1 and is locked. Make a single ranged combat attack (even if this character is adjacent to an opposing character) and compare the attack total to the defense value of all other characters with a line of fire drawn to it; each character hit is dealt damage.
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Incorrect. In order to use TTPC, the character must have the keyword.
This means that Bystanders could not use TTPC. In addition, it could mean that I'm playing with, say, Norman Osborn on a Thunderbolts team. But I happen to AE him into Iron Patriot. My team is STILL a Themed Team. But Iron Patriot can't use TTPC.
Thanks on that. As in my previous post I mentioned I heard about the bystander change, though the Character needing the keyword itself I had figured was a given as all your figures needed to have the keyword to allow Theme. Didn't think about the AEs and such as everything else transfers over like Feats, SOs/Relics, etc...
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