Alright so a long time ago I asked about TAB 003 Wonder Woman and her special leadership in conjunction with Justice League New 52 ATA. The question was if her team is using the ATA and an adjacent Batman with the ATA is next to her when she rolls leadership, if she rolls a 5, does she get to trigger her special part of it that requires a 6? My stance was yes she would. But I was told that because the picture on the card shows the side of the die with 6 pips on it, that I had to roll exactly a 6, and a roll of 5 +1 from the ATA wouldn't work (that if the card had just said rolls a 6 and not shown the side of the die of 6 then I would be fine).

However, now that I just read the trait of Cymbal-Banging Monkey, I think I was right. I think the intention of WK is that in my said situation with Amazonian Princess and New 52 I would be able to get the trigger off rolling a 5 + 1 from the ATA. I think that because his trait shows the image of the side of the die with 6 pips, but then says to add 1 to your result for each attached Cymbal-Banging Monkey.

So with the Toyman situation, to hit super senses he needs to roll a 6 which it shows with the picture of the d6 and pips. It lets you add 1 to your result for each attached Monkey. If you say that he could roll a 5 here and then get the +1 from the Monkey to make it a 6 then why would my Wonder Woman scenario not work? Seems to me that clearly the picture of the d6 with pips does not mean that you MUST roll exactly a 6. If it did mean that then why would they bother saying that you get +1 for each monkey since it wouldn't matter at all? Thoughts?

I agree with you.

If it's pips than cymbal monkey's attached ability is nothing.

Also, if you are correct, rolling a 6 wouldn't count either ( with 1 monkey attached) as 7 is not 6 and Toyman ONLY succeeds on a 6.

I don't have time to pull the thread but I think it was ruled that the picture of the dice is irrelevant and it is simply meant to represent the end result. Some dice that have been distributed by WK don't have a die with a side that has 6 pips so then they would be distributing die that were useless (not that this would shock) but I am almost certain that it was ruled to not matter about the pips themselves. Harpua would certainly know being something of a dice fan.

Got a link? That sounds odd to me.

Just found it. Looks like an orange never made a statement so I was just going off of uncorrected misinformation. http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=416157

A picture of a die with a number of pops showing is the same as simply printing the number. It helps when translating the cards into other languages.

Both Toyman and Wonder Woman can succeed by rolling a natural 5 and modifying the result of the roll by +1.

I remember asking once and not getting an answer on this, but why is the "image of pip 6" allowed to be generalized to "modified roll of 6" or "custom d6 with a custom 6 pip" when other effects that show an image of something are exacting? If a picture of DKR Batman Ally is to be different than "regular" Batman Ally, or GoW Grenade is to be different than Halo Grenade, why is 6 held to a different standard?

For what its worth, I agree that pips or not the end result is what you're supposed to be referencing. That said, whoever ruled it may have made a mistake but they're the ones in charge so that makes them right. Feel free to bring it up to them again but the fact remains it will always be their call to make, incorrect or otherwise.

That would be fine. If they did that. They don't do that though.

and what language uses a different system of numerals? Aside from the Romans, but I think we can skip them at this point. Chinese? Arabic? (serious question)

I seem to recall them changing critical hits to the 6 sided pips; so now the Feat Opportunist can no longer be used to increase rolls to a critical hit.

Because the above mentioned are Game Symbols that refer to specific Combat, Trait, Team Ability, etc. Symbols.

A dice Image is referring to a result on a dice rule.

I get it. I just don't like it. Feels inconsistent. An image should be an image and text, text, ya know?

You know what's weird? I specifically remember responding to that thread and saying something like "No, it has been ruled a few times that the pips are no different than the #. I even remember an orange saying 'if that was the case than a set of dice without pips could never be successful'." And yet my response is not there at the end of the thread. Very odd.

I agree the pip symbols was a bad idea for a few reasons. But I wholly support the ruling (it would be a bit silly if a player using dice labeled 1-6 could never succeed at most rolls).

Oh, I definitely agree. It has to be ruled the way it does. And I get why the BA and Grenade rulings were what they were. Independently I'm peachy-keen with both.

It's only when alongside each other that I dislike them.