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LEADER OF THE BROTHERHOOD: Mystique can use Mastermind and Toughness. She may transfer damage to a friendly character with a higher point value that shares a keyword with her and when she does, that character ignores 1 of the damage dealt after damage is reduced.
If Mystique Masterminds damage to Blob...
LAYERS OF EXTRA FAT: Blob ignores all but 1 damage dealt to him.
Does he get to ignore one more damage from Mystique's SP?
I'm thinking no, because it seems like Blob would be stacking 2 different ways to ignore damage, but the wording seems strange to me and just wanted to be sure.
Boy, I sure have pissed off a lot of people lately on the interwebs. Sorry to all.
What about calling them "Papillomas?"
Also it says somewhere that when a character can reduce damage by two different sources or ignore damage by two different sources, they have to choose one. So I'd guess Blob would have to choose to ignore all but one or just ignore one.
Also it says somewhere that when a character can reduce damage by two different sources or ignore damage by two different sources, they have to choose one. So I'd guess Blob would have to choose to ignore all but one or just ignore one.
That's not quite how it works.
Page 10:
"If a character could use multiple game effects that would reduce or
ignore damage dealt, only one of its game effect can activate, to be
decided by the character’s controlling player."
As Blob is not the one using Mystique's power, then it would work (if not for that point cost thing).
Page 10:
"If a character could use multiple game effects that would reduce or
ignore damage dealt, only one of its game effect can activate, to be
decided by the character’s controlling player."
As Blob is not the one using Mystique's power, then it would work (if not for that point cost thing).
Mystique ignores point values. If this truly does work then you just need to avoid things like Pulse Wave or PS that could get around her Master Mind. Nasty little combo that is...
Quote : Originally Posted by dairoka
I'm pretty sure Dragon has the Future keyword and Probability Control.
Quote : Originally Posted by jonidschultz
Dragon is correct. Dragon is always correct. Never argue with a Dragon.
Mystique ignores point values. If this truly does work then you just need to avoid things like Pulse Wave or PS that could get around her Master Mind. Nasty little combo that is...
She doesn't ignore point values when ignoring that extra damage.
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LEADER OF THE BROTHERHOOD: Mystique can use Mastermind and Toughness. She may transfer damage to a friendly character with a higher point value that shares a keyword with her and when she does, that character ignores 1 of the damage dealt after damage is reduced.
The "when she does" only applies to when she transfers to a character with a higher point value and shared keyword. It doesn't activate on any use of Mastermind. Blob may share a keyword with her, but since he is a lower point value there is no extra ignoring of damage.
She doesn't ignore point values when ignoring that extra damage.
The "when she does" only applies to when she transfers to a character with a higher point value and shared keyword. It doesn't activate on any use of Mastermind. Blob may share a keyword with her, but since he is a lower point value there is no extra ignoring of damage.
Nice catch! Thank you. You should be some sort of rules guru or something
Quote : Originally Posted by dairoka
I'm pretty sure Dragon has the Future keyword and Probability Control.
Quote : Originally Posted by jonidschultz
Dragon is correct. Dragon is always correct. Never argue with a Dragon.
Feats only increase points on a character for scoring purposes. They don't affect powers like master mind or leadership.
This is close, but not exactly accurate. Feats do not increase a character's point value for any reason. However, when you defeat a character you also score points for any Feats, ATAs, or Resources (if applicable based on the individual rules for that Resource) assigned to that character.
Quote : Originally Posted by dairoka
I'm pretty sure Dragon has the Future keyword and Probability Control.
Quote : Originally Posted by jonidschultz
Dragon is correct. Dragon is always correct. Never argue with a Dragon.
Correct... there is nothing yet created that causes a figure's point value itself to increase. There are relics, resources, ATAs, and feats that each cost points and you will score those points when you KO the person assigned that effect... but they are separate things that are removed from the game at the same time as the figure assigned them, they are not added to their point cost. This will be a nasty combo if such a thing is ever made, though.
Last edited by burleigh2; 06/02/2014 at 12:52..
Reason: forgot ATAs. ;)
-Heroclix is not a game of logic, it's a game of strategy .... after all, when's the last time that you saw a giant (using a stealth ability) that was hiding behind a swingset... and nobody could SEE him????
Thanks everyone! That's one that's had me scratching my head for a bit, actually more for exactly those other reasons than Mystique in particular. It's something that I kept coming back to when Leadership and Mastermind popped up.
On the face of it, yes - you just assigned X to the character and it cost Y points, so clearly he/she is the only one that can use X, and it clearly had impacted their abilities. Yet, it is very counter intuitive for things more directly tied to that character vs. relics/resources, to point and say, "No, that doesn't alter the value of the character - but you will score points from it."
It's a divide I have in my mind where the game's rules (apparently) don't make any sort of common sense.
I get where the relic = the relic, or the resource. Its' the thing itself doing a lot of the work. It's like a separate entity if you will.
That all breaks down to me as I look at things like ATA's and Feats, though. Those things are very much NOT something in existence on it's own. They are all pointedly augmenting the character, or adding to the character in some way, but in a very different way from resources, etc. Thus, my confusion on them.
I get it, and I know the ruling. It's just not very sensible. I'll stop rambling now, though.
Props to everyone with info for me on that question.