So here's a question that I'd like to know for all characters that I specifically am curious about for Goblin King.
Im pretty sure I know the answer but you cannot stack reducers correct? I noticed at Nationals/Worlds that most people chose Invincible and Shape Change as the defensive combo for GK, but if they picked that, they would not be able to use Impervious, right?
Thanks in advance!


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You can t ever use more than one reducing power at a Time. The reason for Invicible is to avoid Psyblast Or Expolit Weakness since you can use either Invincible or Impervious you can chose which.

Shape Change is chosen because only Battle fury gets around it and not many figures in meta running around with Battle fury not to mention your not making ranged attacks with you Battle fury so shape change is better than Super Senses because everyone has Percision strike.

I personally like picking Energy Sheild or Combat Reflexes with Shape Change
On his 1st click of 175. Shape change 21 Def at range in hindering did you hit reroll the impervious. But it really just depends what your opponent has.

No, actually you can't use more than one power to reduce damage, you can have access to more than one.

Defensively really the only limitation is that you can only use one power that reduces or ignores damage at a time. Other than that go nuts.

Offensively, at the risk of sounding condescending, read the actual text of the powers. Too many people are surprised the first time they get a figure with HSS + Pulsewave or HSS + BCF that the powers are not "compatible" in the same action, where if they simply re-read the powers instead of remembering the gist of what they do the answer would be obvious.

This is What I mean t you can tell when I said you d have to choose between the Two powers Thanks for Clarifying.

Hoping to resurrect this, so that means if his Invincible was countered by outwit (since he no longer has PC on that start line), he can still use Impervious, right?
Thanks for the help!

Yes, if his invincible is outfitted, he could pick impervious like you mentioned.

That is absolutely correct.

This was a source of contention at the shop I regularly play at.

We had an ROC recently, and the judge ruled that you could only activate one damage reducer at a time. He said that Toughness, Invulnerability, and Impervious were all damage reducers but that Invincible was actually ignoring damage, not reducing it. This is the reason why it is not affected by penetrating damage effects like Exploit Weakness and Penetrating/Psychic Blast.

With that in mind, it was ruled that you could effectively ignore some damage and then reduce the remaining since it is two different types of powers. Therefore, you could combine Invincible with a damage reducer like Impervious. If Goblin King had both powers and got attacked for 4 damage, he could ignore half of it which would leave him with 2 and then reduce the damage down by 2 with Impervious. This meant that unless you hit him with someone who had Precision Strike or higher than a 5 Damage value, he effectively was taking no damage at all.

Are you all saying that isn't correct?

Well...
This is correct. ^

That said...
This is not correct. ^

Rulebook, Page 10: "If a character can use multiple game effects to reduce and/or ignore damage dealt, only one of those game effects can activate, to be decided by the character‘s controlling player."

Indeed, that is very incorrect

edit: ninja'd by the law

Sorry that you had to go through that. Was the ROC judge a regular judge for your venue?

For your future games/evens, it may help to do something like this:

When I attend Opens or ogranized events at venues that I am unfamilar with or who have judges I do not know, I always bring a PAC and a copy of the 2014 Rulebook. I leave it out and let my opponents and judges know its there for reference. Ive only ever been asked one time to not display it. I complied. I often find that my judges are receptive to this and actually appreciate the gesture.

Plus it helps solve quick problems like the one you mentioned. More complex corner-cases are best solved by the judges conferring and/or the judges looking up clarifications on WIN.

Also important to note this isn't a new ruling and predates Invincible.

While ignoring damage didn't begin in GSX, I recall this going into the rule book soon after GSX Blob came out to cover the corner case of him ignoring all but 1 damage and then reducing it with Toughness.

To my knowledge, even before that line in the rule book, it was not possible to get out of all damage with multiple reduce/ignore effects (except for perhaps a few weeks? I recall it being ruled that way pretty quickly).

As I recall, an intent ruling was made pretty much immediately after the question was asked and the ruling made it into the Player's Guide almost immediately.