no

Your first statement is actually valid to a point. But why should I have to call about a regular event, especially when like I stated the screwup was th WK site( OH, I forgot that NEVER happens). Plus a good number of venues I play at are a long distance call. I see by your view I should spend even more to play.

Yes, I have refused to play in some of the campaigns due to the special rules. In the past I never worried about the faction piece rule, my armies usually had one from each so I could play either side. Now that I have drawn down to 3 factions I would say that if the game didn't have one of those 3 I will not play.

No we don't know how many unrestricted we'll have. But just like the way past behavior can be use in court as evidence of a pattern, WK past behavior say's allot in regards to the future. And again unless the prize is from 1 of my 3 factions I really don't care about the prizes.

The power pieces are currently fron the last 2 sets. Your view holds no water. It just proves that it all boils down to keeping up with the Jones's. Yes, what Arnis and the Arrow IV goes for are ridiculous. But retirement for those would be a while off and the new players will still have to deal with them. And then there'll be new things that take their place and go for a fortune. Nothing will change except the veteran are forced to buy things they may not want.

I had no view of the new expansion one way or the other until now. I had no plan to buy a case, I didn't have a plan to buy or not to buy until WK's made it for me.

NONO NO Why wizkids, why?

I vote yes.

I have seen what this particular business and tournament strategy has done for Magic, and what has happened to those games that have not adopted some sort of similar strategy. Magic and games that do restricted formats and/or bannings of power pieces tend to have a much longer life than those that do not. I say this from a 20+ years in gaming perspective, but I also say this from the perspective of working in a comic book/gaming store for 10 years and actively watching products come and go.

Everyone is complaining about units never being usable again before they even know what units from DA, FFE and DFA are going to be reprinted. And who said anything about having to buy these units all over again if they ar reprinted in a new base set?!?! They will be the same unit, with the same stats, and the same point value as they always were, and you can use the older printings of the piece all you want in tournament play.

To those who complain about being forced to buy the new base set I ask you: What in the ever loving hell makes you think the units in this new base set will be anything but reprints? You think they'll mix new units in with the old? I seriously doubt that (with the qualifier that I know this is WizKids, and therefore the uniques may be new, but if WK does it right and skips the MK Unlimted strategy for MW then even that won't occur). Us veterans will already have every piece we want that is in a new base set, since we got them when we bought the expansions they were first released in.

The only reprinted units I will buy will be singles of units whose dial was FAQed and are therefore correct in the newest printing. I have been playing Magic since Arabian Nights came out. I still have the same AN Cities of Brass, the same 3rd Edition birds, and countless other cards that have come in and out of being tournament legal over the last 10 years.

I'd rather continue to buy my MW (without any change in buying habits, mind you) and have to rechange my armies every two years then have the game stagnate and go under in the same amount of time.

adorabilly, why dont you stop badgering everyone that thinks this is a ridiculous idea? All you are doing is repeating the same tired lines we've all heard a thousand times from the WK talking heads in the Q&A session

Bomobi-

Perhaps, because he is right and the vocal and establiched players that spend hours on this forum are too entrenched to see the value of the change or fear that the change will devalue (in $) their hobby.

It's strange to see how many people claim that the change will make their collection worthless. Don't people play MW outside the sponsored tourneys? Is the point of the hobby LEs?

I thought that it was a fun game. My mistake, I guess.

i have as much fun playing the game as the next person. This game is not only played by a bunch of diehard wargamers that play all night long, its played by people that do it when they can play it, and when they can play it is tournaments at the game shop.

My area has already had three venues completly stop running WK events, there are only two that remain and the attendence there is just the same 6 people that come outevery week. Do any of these people play outside of these weekly meetings? Not really, why? Well, first of all, we live 20 miles away from eachother, so its not like we hang out. Second of all, half of them are little kids that you couldnt pay me to associate with outside the game store. Third, the rest of us have jobs, so getting together several nights a week to just #### around and play MW for fun isnt an option either. We get together on that one night a week to play MW for fun. Whether there is an LE involved or not is usually irrelevent. Granted, we may have 8 instead of 6 if there is a good LE up for grabs, but you can hardly call that profiteering, especially when those extra 2 people that show up dont really have a prayer of winning in the first place.

Also, look at it from a standpoint of one of those profiteers. Got a chance at a great LE? Head across town and play at a new venue if you think you are good enough, as well as playing in your normal ones. You win multiples of these pieces, great, now you must recoup your expenses of driving across the city to go play at a venue 45 minutes away. Thats all those people are doing, unless they have 5-6 venues within 20 minutes of their house.

As for all this spouting of "not banned, you can still play for fun!", its getting tiresome. You know as well as I that the number of weeks in a month (4) and the number of WK sanctioned events (usually 4, but lately shrinking) dont exactly allow you much leeway to schedule events. My friend the BM that schedules these things has said that it went from "pick any 4" to "you have 2 storys, and either 1 sealed and 1 unrestricted" to "you have to run this marquee, 2 sealeds, and unrestricted (which killed one venues support because no one wanted to play what worked out to 4 sealeds in a row because of the month befores sealed)" to "we will support storys this month only, the rest is up to you, but we arent supporting it".


If you apply the logic of "not banned, can still play for fun" then WotC didnt ban any cards from play either, because if you were just playing for fun, you could use your ante cards and anything else that both players agreed to.

no

Bomobi

You say the retirement is gonna kill MW. But you start your second paragraph with this:

"My area has already had three venues completly stop running WK events, there are only two that remain and the attendence there is just the same 6 people that come outevery week."

In your area MW is already dying. Don't you see it. What solution can yo propose to restart the game at the vanues who stoped it? At least WK is trying something.

And for the new players having a easier time now acquiring the pieces, I'm a quite new player, 4 months into this game (and 20 years into RPG, 15 years into board and wargames and I started playing magic around legends (stopped for a couple of years, before the type I and II)), and I can tell you that to start that late into this game (and all collectible games) quite good I had to invest some money. And you don't have all the pieces, let alone the LEs.

I don't feel like I'm gonna start again in a couple of months (years?) to buy those figs again. Like Kotinthe just told you, where have you read that ALL the old units are gonna be retire? Point it to me and to all the ones who are not crying "scandal". As far as I can read english (wich is not my mother language, again sorry if I made to many errots), I've read two times (FAQ and Q&A) that some pieces are gonna be retired and that it shall not have the scale of MK. I think it's most ganna be LEs and uniques and for the sake of the game the less to not at all used units (wich are almost a majority of the units). Well if they mess up the retirement process, I'm gonna be the most vocal detractor of WK. But we got at least one year before seeing it. So let's be a little patient and let's watch WK closely as to influence the retirement scheme as much as possible.

What I totaly agree with the people who are outraged about the move, is the method in the announcement and in the Q&A (Warfail is right to say that pretending there is no problems is like "the blind leading the blind" and an insult to intelligence). They should have simply told all of us that with the current decline of venues organising events (wich as most of you are saying is at a very bad stage) and the subsequent loss of revenue they have, it was inevitable to take those measures to save the company. That would have made the outcry less violent.

On another point, who is responsible of the decline of venues organising events? WK or the players or both of them (broken pieces coupled with cheese players)? For me the answer is quite clear, it's the third one. When you are a new player and the first army you confront in tournament is a full VTOL one, with the guy starting to tell you you don't stand a chance and you see clearly that you aren't gonna beat him, not because he is a good tactician but only because he copycated a cheese army, you can get disgusted by the game (especially if oyu intend to mostly play tournaments). Wk screwed some pieces and some players, certainly not the majority of them, far from it, used the screwed pieces to uber-play. And for what purpose? LEs!

The game is good, but it is no more growing and from what I've read it's already shrinking. WK is trying to save it and don't misinterpret my words, it's not because they are good samaritans, it's because they are a business and saving the clix games is gonna make them more money!

No ill intended to any of you who have posted here and on the other threads, especially if your opinion is not mine, I totally respect your point of view.

Regards Xtatika

where did i say it would kill it?

For me it's the essence of the whole second paragraph. If I misinterpreted your words, my fault, and my apologies.

Regards Xtatika

yep

Tony

hey, as long as my BM is running events, Ill show up to play with something; legal or no. I just wont be purchasing new stuff unless its a sealed event.

badgers? We don't need no stinking badgers.

Bomobi, you are right.

If by now you don't have the .... (don't want to flame) forsight to see that this is a good thing, well too bad. If you leave the game, we will miss you.

I have been fighting the good fight, because until I started defending this policy there appeared to be a lack of support for this idea. Every thread was doom and gloom. How this will kill the game, and oh MY GAWD how could these evil horrible people dare change our game.... you know the game we can't agree on for 10 minutes w/out fighting over what we want vs what others want. But #### you don't #### with my game.... It's mine. I paid good money for this game, you can't change it. You are all LIARS, and money grubbing talking heads. You can't possibley have an original thought that is good for my game. NO I won't allow it.

But you are right, I'm just parroting what the company says.... i can't possibly even agree with it... I have to be part of the conspiracy....

I'm tired for the night, I'm going to bed.

Wizkids clearly showed in the interview that our opinion here (and even the opinion of their own play testers) does only care for them if it is on par with their own opinion, so who cares what we write here....

If it would care, I'd go for NO.