I think that's what he said . . .

I didn't account for the -2 Attack from ER-Gear in addition to the penalty from Ydek's ability.

I suppose that you could always use the BR Sprint/Oni drop in addition to the Alliance and ATVs to get the same result...

Bah, lack of edit...

I meant you could use the BR Sprint/Oni drop in addition to the ROTS/LI alliance with ATVs to get the same result but with formation bonuses.

Um...isn't that exactly what I said?

-Nick

Hmm Trevor said I had to look in every couple of days and say something intelligent.

See that presumes I have something intelligent to say every, Oh, couple of days? :)

Anyway on the SSw/BR alliance army (since this is a card I have used competitively - yes, really) ...

I have to agree with AsburyGrad. I've generally used this card in 600 to support a particular "focus". Usually Persuader/Pulse but I'm not picky.

This build has all of its BR stuff in units that start in-yer-face. Since these units are easy to kill and in short supply that's the one place you don't want them.

Sandoval in his Quad is a good solid guard for those Arrows. But as AsburyGrad said, you need something Bannsons sitting further back. Now one option is a Bannsons Hatchetman. Not as good defensively but it does have the advantage of a primary >1 in a close combat attack - hence it'll repair for 3 rather than 1d6 if you prefer (4 if it is running hot).

Myself I'd swap one of the Arrows for a Paladin to get the extra counter-battery range but that's because I face a lot of counter-batteries myself. Also the permanent ArP is useful and the defense helps against CJF Sylphs or CJF Fenrir (who stand a decent chance of salvaging an Arrow IV in one turn).

Sorry gents, I guess it'd help if I'd actually read the whole post. Wacky!

Anyways, that's a huge boon that it can't be hurt by Dust Storm. Shwanky. Anyone ask for a tankdrop killer?

It's a bit of a one-trick pony though.

A couple of chunky, well-placed, blocking terrain pieces can defend much of your DZ.

If you go second rather than first then chances are the only stuff left in Trebor's formation range will be stuff Trebor doesn't want to waste effort attacking.

Well whilst we're on concept armies ...

Hashira/Sutoku/Concussion Ammo ... 319 (ouch)
DF :^^^: Garrott ... 33
> HK :^^^: Oni ... 22
> x2 HK :^^: Oni ... 40
x3 LI ATV ... 36
Total ... 450

Obviously the point of this is to make use of the 2-action guy. More importantly he can target lots of stuff (up to 6 targets a turn) and then Concuss it. All you need to do is deal damage to add a token. Great way to pinch an opponent's momentum.

Dear Kotch,


Not to rain on your parade but is it competitive ?

Concussion Ammo requires a follow up to be truly effective. It gives some time if a unit has a token.


But Hasira Sutoku is devastating enough if you hit something twice.
I would put IT on it. Even if it means seeing more EC all over the place.

I do believe that the garrot drop is better of with something longer ranged.

And I happen to have a fever, so my mind is probaly off as well.

Regards
E130

No, in actual fact it isn't. I put too little thought into the support, in particular. I've since been thinking of what the best follow-up would be but the problem is, 319 points doesn't leave you with much to play with!

I toyed with swapping the Garrott and an Oni for the Zahn and a SC Undine to get a capture squad in.

As an army, it'll never be "competitive" because ... 319 points on a 21 defense?? Even with Improved Targeting, the damage and heat you deal yourself using the extra order cripple you. I'm looking at other platforms for Concussion Ammo now but I liked the idea of 18" range when I put it together.

The lovely beasties in full gear edge up toward the 300 mark.

It is why I woudnt be surprised if after Nationals/Worlds the standard will become 600.

Off al the Yamis I like the 2 turn wammo the best, but you must play it like it is made of glass, dancing around keeping it out of allkind of scary TD and AO ranges.

The new TTL's will be excellent to support him. But you have some command problems then.

fever addled as i am looking forward to the marquee.

good practice.

good luck
E130

Yeah so am i Elite130, untill then i wish you some good health :)

btw, did anyone notice the army i managed to slip in?

16 Inch 4 pulse 24 defense. 20 inch AO range. It is a beast. Your heat dial is ....iffy... It doesnt need the shamash otherwise a good army. Although it is basicly a 1 Mech army. Watch that heat dial as it isnt made for that pulse ability.

24 Decoy helps a lot.

Yeah i know about the heatdial.. dual artillery would give my army fits :P
The shamash...
yeah i dont really know why i put in in there other then 5 clicks life 16" infiltrate..
And its kinda hard to make it 450 without it.

So how do you all feel about Grinder's competativeness.

I think with Adam Stark, and Experimental Pulse or even Refined Pulse he is a real Mech/Vehicle killer.

That being said I have neither Stark nor those gears.

I have run Grinder in these configurations.

Grinder 229 (299)
- Aiko 27 + 5SC
- Decoy 38

Grinder 229 (299)
- Celina 21 + 5SC
- IT 44

While I do well locally with Grinder I'm not sure if my support for him is optimal.

Here are two examples.

Grinder 229 (299)
- Aiko 27 +5SC
- Decoy 38
SC Fenrir x2 30
Merc Zahn 30
Merc Gnome x3 60
JF Slyph 30
449 total

Grinder 229 (299)
- Santos 21 + 5SC
- IT 44
SC Slyph x2 52
HK Tokugawa 56
HK Raiden x2 30
SC Free Legion Company 12
449 total

The other day though I did pick up a DF Mars and thought this up.

Grinder 229 (256)
- Aiko 27
DF Mars 98
Merc Zahn 30
Merc Gnome x2 40
SC Slyph 26
450 total