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Originally posted by stubarnes "The world" will never be free of ethical conditioning, but the individual is always invited to transcend that limited perspective and attain the metamoral state.
But that's not really anarchy, is it Stu? You're ignoring the establishment on an individualist's basis, but you're also allowing it to continue to exist, and if it still exists, it can continue to impose penalties on you and others. You still have to face consequences for your actions, even if you don't care about them, where as an anarchy is a state of society with zero penalties and consequences.
Your philosophy is fine as long as you don't value your life, family, or personal possessions, but most people do value these things and would rather conform to be allowed to keep them or try to abolish the system that's threating to take them away.
You're not really trying to achieve a world without restrictions, you're just allowing yourself to be martyred for no other reason than self-interested obstinacy. A martyr without a cause is just a dead guy.
True anarchy is not political, it is personal. At least for me. I really don't care about the rest of the world... but when I get into the metamoral state of being the world tends to be helped by me anyway. If you want me to focus on improving the society around me you are asking me to acknowledge some kind of fault. I see no faults.
Originally posted by stubarnes And convictions create convicts.
True anarchy is not political, it is personal. At least for me. I really don't care about the rest of the world... but when I get into the metamoral state of being the world tends to be helped by me anyway. If you want me to focus on improving the society around me you are asking me to acknowledge some kind of fault. I see no faults.
All judgement is fascist. Including that one.
So by your philosophy, human beings are inherently good and no matter what condition society is in, there are no faults. Therefor no action performed by a human being can be immoral, because there is no immorality.
You believe that it is not immoral for human beings to do anything they wish to do, regaurdless of who else migh be harmed by their actions.
Therefor, you are an anarchist.
You also believe that it is not immoral for human beings to impose their will on others if they wish to, regaurdless of whether their will is fair or unfair.
Therefor, you are a fascist.
I'm pretty sure the whole world is divided up into only three groups, fascists, anarchists, and Stu "It's all good!" Barnes, just at various different degrees.
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Originally posted by stubarnes Really, yes. Are you actually asking for an "authentic" anarchy? An "official" anarchy? A "correct form" of anarchy?
If I conquered the world, created an army of robotic enforcers to oppress mankind, and forced everyone to sing I'm a Tugboat, Call Me Mel at gunpoint every morning, I could call it anarchy.
Wolverine surely has a huge amount of available history to use in our game for more versions and plot twists and additional X-men characters. What parts of the Wolverine myths do we most want to see on cardboard?
Originally posted by stubarnes Okay you win, now back on topic.
Wolverine surely has a huge amount of available history to use in our game for more versions and plot twists and additional X-men characters. What parts of the Wolverine myths do we most want to see on cardboard?
Wolverine
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While Protecting a character with a cost of 1 or less, Wolverine gets +1 ATK and +1 DEF.
Boost 1: Search your deck for a character named either Shadowcat or Jubilee. If that character has a cost of 1 or less, you may put it into your support row. If not, put it into your hand.
If any opponent controls a character named Wolverine and you control a character named Wolverine, return all characters named Wolverine to their owner's hand.
If you control a character named Wolverine and that character has the lowest ATK of all characters you control, Wolverine gets +X ATK while attacking, where X equals the ATK of the defender.
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If he did then where did his normal sig go?
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Note for half a second how my normal sig no longer exists, but this new, imitation sig that is actually my post in response to all of the anarchy talk takes the place. All of my other posts will still have my normal sig. It's ####ing crazy like that.
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Alright, a couple of things. First of all, Stu, you're notion that people should do what they want to do and it will be right is literally a moral theory called Ethical Egoism. It is one of the fundamental moral codes that supports capitalism and many business practices within it that are considered "corrupt" but is rarely seen outside of capitalists. I thought you'd find this interesting, considering you're tendency to hate money and all things like it. Also, the fact that "What people do is right" is a lot like the arguments of the problems with a moral code based on God's will. The question becomes is it good or not because God said it (thus meaning that he could moralize what would intuitively be immoral actions by simply saying so), or does God say it because it's good (meaning that God actually has no control over morality, that he is merely an arbiter, just the messenger). The same question arises when you say that anything man does for [blank] reason is good. I know that you like to view things as "neither good nor bad", but at this point why are we discussing this, if not to find out the good or bad way to live life?
Second, people are talking about "Left and right, communists and fascists" but this is really an incorrect viewing. Fascists can exist on either side. If you are so conservative that you think that anyone that wants to change anything should die, hey, what do you know, you're a fascist. If you are so liberal that you think that anyone that is unwilling to change everything in his/her life at a moment's notice should die (but each in a different and unique, ever-changing way, of course), hey, what do you know, you're a fascist.
Third, on the whole anarchy thing, I just wanted to note that the society that is "communism" I was talking about is merely an example of a type of anarchy, contained within the definition, not the only possible result of it. Personally, if you want to look at anarchy, you need to check out the various "State of Nature" theories. However, there are three moral rules that supercede society's rules and are inherent to the survival of any sort of grouping of people:
1) Don't murder people. If we disregard this rule, the entire population can diminish for no real reason.
2) Take care of the youth. This exists for the same as the reason above, the whole survival of species thing.
3) Don't lie. This one exists because if people have no basic rules about whether or not you should lie, then there is no reason to think that whenever anyone talks ever that they are telling the truth. This then leads to the entirety of communication being meaningless and the notion of any grouping of people impossible.
Finally, God damn it, Stu, Overexposed is already a card! It's a card for what was one of your favorite teams during the pre-release period of Marvel Knights, if for no other reason than Doop! I have no idea what your long-term opinion on them ended up being, but I know you at least used to like them. Remember the Statix!
Originally posted by profparm I know that you like to view things as "neither good nor bad", but at this point why are we discussing this, if not to find out the good or bad way to live life?