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A good point. "would be dealt damage" and "when morlun is healed" seem similar enough. It also takes the argument away from whether there is healing or not, and makes the claim that even healing for 0 shouldn't activate the power. Interesting to say the least.
I've also thought about Mystics. When a character deals 0 damage, the target will take 0 damage, but that does not activate the Mystics team ability.
I still think you can use steal energy and heal on your first click, it's just that will not heal past your first click.
I think it progresses this way:
1. Make an attack with steal energy
2. Attack hits, steal energy heals you one click
3. But Morlun is on his first click so he 'heals' because the power was active, however he will not heal past his first click
In other words if I were judging I would rule that Morlun can place a tracking token on his first click because I believe Morlun is using Steal Energy and is 'healed' but because it is his first click he won't heal past it.
I just got Morlun so now I have to read thru all these... argh.
You do have a point about the way it is worded but...
The net effect of what you're saying is that a tracking token is placed everytime Morlun connects with a close combat attack right? If that was the intent, then it would have said so.
However, it said that he has to have been healed... so no tracking token on the first click... I would think.
I guess the design lesson here is to be extra careful with the verbs. They can easily be ambiguous... "to evade" can mean "to successfully evade" or "to attempt to evade." I thought "healed" was pretty straightforward and sound but I guess not.
Actually, Renard's logic is correct. You are healed using Steal Energy it just can't go past the starting line. And the analogy with Support is correct too.
If the intent is not as Renard thinks it is, then maybe the power should be errata'd to say:
PSYCHIC VAMPIRE: Morlun can use Steal Energy. Whenever Morlun is not at his starting click and is healed using Steal Energy, you may place a tracking token on the targeted character's card.
I just got Morlun so now I have to read thru all these... argh.
You do have a point about the way it is worded but...
The net effect of what you're saying is that a tracking token is placed everytime Morlun connects with a close combat attack right? If that was the intent, then it would have said so.
However, it said that he has to have been healed... so no tracking token on the first click... I would think.
I guess the design lesson here is to be extra careful with the verbs. They can easily be ambiguous... "to evade" can mean "to successfully evade" or "to attempt to evade." I thought "healed" was pretty straightforward and sound but I guess not.
Actually, Renard's logic is correct. You are healed using Steal Energy it just can't go past the starting line. And the analogy with Support is correct too.
If the intent is not as Renard thinks it is, then maybe the power should be errata'd to say:
PSYCHIC VAMPIRE: Morlun can use Steal Energy. Whenever Morlun is not at his starting click and is healed using Steal Energy, you may place a tracking token on the targeted character's card.
Actually, if it was meant to work as Renard wants it to, and was to be errated to make clear, the power should read like:
PSYCHIC VAMPIRE: Morlun can use Steal Energy. Whenever Morlun successfully deals damage to a character, you may place a tracking token on the targeted character's card.
Unless they are anticipating some power which would disallow the use of steal energy like "characters targeting this character cannot use steal energy", then it should read like:
PSYCHIC VAMPIRE: Morlun can use Steal Energy. Whenever Morlun successfully deals damage to a character, and can use steal energy, you may place a tracking token on the targeted character's card.
Argument being that if there was not meant to be a distinction in whether or not you are healed using steal energy at any certain point when you have uncounterable, omnipresent steal energy, then they would have made no mention of healing using the power. The power specifically mentions that you must heal to place the token, which implies that there is a condition under which you cannot.
Now understand that this is not character accurate either, as Morlun in comics can always track you after her has even touched you... which means to me that only a successful close combat attack, damage or no, should be necessary for comic accuracy.
Steal Energy
A character using Steal Energy while on their first click is not considered healed when an opposing character takes damage from a close combat attack.
That pleases me. I really thought that the ruling was going to go the other way, but I think that this is the most logical and consistent reading of the rules.
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In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
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Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
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I'd say yes : you can still choose in which order things happen, and if you choose to apply Mystic damage first, Morlun is no longer on his first clic when Steal Energy is applied. Both are checked at the exact same time, when the opposing character takes damage, so if you choose to check them in the right order, you(re still good to go even with the new ruling.
I'd say yes : you can still choose in which order things happen, and if you choose to apply Mystic damage first, Morlun is no longer on his first clic when Steal Energy is applied. Both are checked at the exact same time, when the opposing character takes damage, so if you choose to check them in the right order, you(re still good to go even with the new ruling.
Captain Krueger is right. Mystics and steal energy trigger at the same time, so the active player chooses the order in which they resolve. If you're on your first click, resolving Mystics first will put you on your second click, at which point you can actually gain the benefit from steal energy.
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In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
Quote : Originally Posted by Masenko
Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
Quote : Originally Posted by Thrumble Funk
Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.