If the ruling is important enough, they can take it to GD and then add it into the PG.
Without that all you have is their extremely well informed opinion on how they would rule it.

Since "they" tend to be the ones handing out rulings at major events, why would their "unofficial" opinion be any more relevant then their "official" opinion?

Lets say you go to a major event and no "official" ruling is decided upon yet. Then when you get an "unofficial opinion" from normalview (who happens to be judging at the event) then that "unofficial opinion" carries all the weight that an "official ruling" would.

What purpose could it possibly serve to force the Orange guys to reserve their opinions until they are official? Its makes absolutely no difference whether their opinions are "official" or not.

Under the current system, I don't think there are any requirements of the judge at all. (Other than to actually show up at the event and answer questions when asked.) The judge can never read the Player's Guide and still be the judge. It will all be up to the judge on how much time they want to put into this game.

All I'm saying is I think the HeroClixComprehensive Tournament Rules makes HCRealms as official a means of rules communication as the Player's Guide. I don't think just because something was said on HCRealms and wasn't put into the Player's Guide it is inherently not official.

Even more to the point, at the time of GenCon this past summer, the rulebook and other printed documentation clearly said that BCF would be rolled once if used with Flurry. nbperp had said on HCRealms that he was aware of the issue and that Flurry/BCF would be played as it had always been played and two rolls would be made (assuming both attacks were successful.) To me, that was an official ruling and even though it didn't make it into the official documentation in time for GenCon, there was nothing wrong with playing it that way at a WizKids run event since the forums made that ruling official. (You can argue that it shouldn't have been done that way since the HeroClixComprehensive Tournament Rules clearly say the written documentation overrides the forums, but that is one of the worst rules in the HeroClixComprehensive Tournament Rules and needs to be removed in the next version.)

Actually it will be rare that Quebbster is at an official WizKids event since most of them are in the United States and he lives in Europe. (Not saying it is impossible, but he has said it is unlikely.) normalview meanwhile wasn't at GenCon this past summer, although I think he has said he'd like to be there next year.

Agreed if he is the head judge.

I'm not saying that they can only express official opinions. In fact, if you look at my original post I said I think normalview is expressing an unofficial opinion and was looking for follow up.

This all said, we really are taking this thread off topic. If we want to continue, I think we should start a different thread in general discussion and take it from there.

hmmm... you have a point there.

It makes the other look bad and as a side effect we lose confidence in one or the other.

It's like the mom telling the child not to do something and then the dad turns around and says it's ok. Pretty soon the child loses respect for the mom.

yeah, yeah, it's not exactly like that but similar with regards to respect and perception of authority.

Its the common problem with many posters on this site. They miss value the Orange Guys.

Its wrong to believe that you can not have an accurate answer until an Orange Guy rules on it.

Thats exactly why normalview has a Orange bar.

normalview has been correctly answering rules on this forum for years before he ever got an Orange bar.

The whole reason he got an Orange bar is because people kept disputing rules with him and demanding that the only official rule was one that Norm gave.

The same thing is happening again as people have clearly missed the purpose. They are not Orange because everything they say is official, they Orange to remind us that they know their stuff and that their opinion is just as good as Norms opinion...and that includes when they disagree with Norm.

Even though Norm is the RA and normalview is just a deputy, if normalview disagrees with a post made by NBPerp your ears should perk up and your brain should think, what is normalview saying? Why does he see things differently? Maybe I should discuss this with my judge and see how he views the issues.

Try to remember its just as official for Norm to rule it one way and normalview to rule it another...both are completely valid an official rulings.

Sometimes the rules simply have multiple interpretations until they are cleared up in the PG.

People make far too much of a big deal about waiting for an "official" rule.

Again I ask what real world difference does it make to you whether you get GDs offical rule or normalviews well informed "unofficial" opinion on the subject?

I know this I can carry the PG with me to a tourney, normalview on the other hand is much less likely to show up.

I had to re-read this thread a couple times to make sure I didn't miss the officials on the OC SP and outwit. Have to be careful not to clutter the thread to much.

IceHot - I appreciate you. You get it.

Others - I've really got nothing to say.

In the end, this has kicked up enough thoughts for how to handle "open issues" that I've kicked off another thread to deal with that.

Regarding orange tint folks getting it wrong... the sad harsh reality is that people make mistakes AND the fact is that some of the issues are not as clear on first glance. You'd prefer perfect/correct answers. My feeling is I'd prefer quick/considerate analysis. I'm not unmovable from my position, but I think the latter provides a better service to the community.

nice!

and I prefer quick/considerate analysis as well... imo part of why Heroclix has gained momentum... because of the support from orange tint and others in this forum.

Bottom line for me is... thank you for this forum and all the people that contribute to it. Amen.

Since much has been said in this thread and it was just a general agreement with IceHot, I'm curious how you see the rules posse role. (And if it's going to become a discussion, maybe it does belong in another thread.) Is it to provide us with official answers to rules questions? Or is it to give us something to think about and to essentially say there are no official answers?

Don't want to break up the discussion, but I have a couple of Larfleeze related questions:

1) Can Larfleeze deal Poison damage to characters within 2 squares away from his Orange Construct objects through Toxic Burst?

2) If the answer to 1 is yes, since Larfleeze does not occupy the spaces that his Orange Construct objects occupy, could he only deal Poison damage to characters two squares away from the Orange Construct objects that the Larfleeze figure has clear line of fire to? Or could he target any characters within 2 squares of the objects that the objects have clear line of fire to?

Please break it up. I don't think nbperp's going to answer my question anyway.

No. Larfleeze, but not the Orange Construct objects, can do it.

No. Larfleeze doesn't actually occupy the squares where the Orange Constructs are sitting. As such, two squares away from Larfleeze is two squares away from Larfleeze only; not his Constructs.

Thanks, figured that was the answer since the Orange Lantern object doesn't affect the Construct objects either, just wanted to make sure though.

I have a quick question can larfleez poisen someone through a construct he just set down this turn? The power reads: "SUMMON THE ORANGE LANTERN CORPS: Once during your turn, you may give Larfleeze a free action and place an Orange Construct object on the map within 6 squares and line of fire". I'm guessing it would since free actions like outwit can be used before poisen comes into effect. So for example someone is 3 squares away from Larfleeze can I use summon the oranage lantern corps to set token next to or under them and poisen them through it on the same turn?

Depends.

If Larfleeze placed the Construct as a free action, and placed it during the beginning of the turn before he used Poison, then that would work fine.

If he places it as a power action (after there are already a couple Constructs on the map) or after the beginning of the turn has already ended, then that would not work.

My bad I should have been clear that I ment at the begening of you turn with less then 2 out. But thanks for confirming that I wanted to make sure I hadn't made a bad ruling.