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I married into a Jewish family, and let me tell you, "Jewish guilt" is a very real thing. At this point, the joke in the family is that I'm totally immune to Jewish guilt.
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Seriously? Rant time because I find the the whole 1st world problems thing total cliche and easy bull####, and is the same category of mouth diarrhea as "That's what she said and Your mother" (Not singling out Wade it was the just the first in a recent string of the First world problem #### and I didn't feel like quoting them all). I'm also annoyed and stressed out over personal issues that I don't go around sharing with strangers on the internet so I'll relieve stress by yelling and #####ing about inane things. (I was staring at the tiles in my bathtub for almost 36 minutes last night)
Here's why this irks me, if you say something along those lines, there's a couple of things that could be going on:
First is that you are legitimately worried by issues in the 3rd world, and in which case you should get off your ### and do something about it instead of bringing down everyone around you.
Second you are using the 3rd world as a tool for "humor" (air-quotes used with full ironic intent), to basically demean someone for an easy laugh, without any actual regard for the "3rd world". Footnote: I don't have any problem with demeaning, actually I aggressively support demeaning people.
Third, you heard someone else say it, thought it was funny and repeated it as your own, or made a thing out of it without any actual thought to what it means.
Essentially, there's no good reason to say it, you might as well say "Well at least you didn't get raped", it has the same conversational value while being equally insensitive. This really isn't a, you should care about the third world thing either, Tragedy breeds humor, what annoys me is when its exploited for no reason other than to utter a "cute" little saying.
/ rant
In an unrelated note, I was trying to figure out if the Hindus were right about the whole incarnation thing, but I was saddened to find that there were no famous d-bags to die on or the day before my birthday, or around my conception date...Basically my choices are between a sad soap opera star and a Austrian Race Car driver with a cool mustache.
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Generally agreed. Though, honestly, I've found that there's a quicker way to take the wind out of those sails.
Whenever someone pulls the "first world problems" thing (not to say that anyone here did), I reply with: "Yes, people are dying due to profound atrocities the world over, and I'm telling you, RIGHT NOW, that they do not matter to me as much as my having to drink black coffee when I wanted hazelnut and extra cream."
I...just don't do guilt trips.
Quote : Originally Posted by Fredwood
I usually respond with something about a monkey sphere, or "and?"
Uuuuuuuhhhh.......
If you're feeling guilty because someone's poking fun at what we consider to be problems in our own society, then I don't know what to do for you.
My friends and I say it a lot, and usually immediately after our own complaints about something. It's meant in jest. Not to invalidate what someone said, but to try and alleviate with humor.
I mean, the idea that someone's saying it to guilt you is.....well that's just Catholic, I guess. All power to you and your anger over someone trying to lighten the mood, I suppose. Fight that fight, right to fight-town?
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My family is Irish Catholic, the other part is Portuguese anarchists and scary Indianas that were members of (no joke) the Blood Tribe...thankfully I take after my father.
If you're feeling guilty because someone's poking fun at what we consider to be problems in our own society, then I don't know what to do for you.
Context matters. Usually when I hear it, it is in a smug context, of which I'm not a fan. YMMV.
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My friends and I say it a lot, and usually immediately after our own complaints about something. It's meant in jest. Not to invalidate what someone said, but to try and alleviate with humor.
That would not rankle me in the slightest.
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I mean, the idea that someone's saying it to guilt you is.....well that's just Catholic, I guess.
Unless they are.
Quote : Originally Posted by Thawmus
All power to you and your anger over someone trying to lighten the mood, I suppose. Fight that fight, right to fight-town?
Unless they aren't.
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If you're feeling guilty because someone's poking fun at what we consider to be problems in our own society, then I don't know what to do for you.
My friends and I say it a lot, and usually immediately after our own complaints about something. It's meant in jest. Not to invalidate what someone said, but to try and alleviate with humor.
I mean, the idea that someone's saying it to guilt you is.....well that's just Catholic, I guess. All power to you and your anger over someone trying to lighten the mood, I suppose. Fight that fight, right to fight-town?
Uhhhh.....
It's not a guilt thing. Its unoriginal and unfunny on any level. We've spent the last 3 post saying how were' not guilted one iota by it. The intent of many people is to guilt others into quit #####ing. It's not poking fun its stupid...much like actually poking someone is.
Also lightening the mood? Someone complaining about work isn't making it dark...you bringing up genocide, starvation and corruption is not lightening mode...its categorically the opposite of keeping it light.
This isn't a guilt thing and especially not an anger over the issues in the 3rd world thing. It's an originality thing, I have the same reaction to Git 'R' Done.
If you're gonna use sad stuff as a sounding board for humor don't half-### it by saying something that someone's aunt probably says on a regular basis.
Context matters. Usually when I hear it, it is in a smug context, of which I'm not a fan. YMMV.
That would not rankle me in the slightest.
Unless they are.
Unless they aren't.
Sounds like context doesn't matter to some, though, which is my point:
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Uhhhh.....
It's not a guilt thing. Its unoriginal and unfunny on any level. We've spent the last 3 post saying how were' not guilted one iota by it. The intent of many people is to guilt others into quit #####ing. It's not poking fun its stupid...much like actually poking someone is.
Also lightening the mood? Someone complaining about work isn't making it dark...you bringing up genocide, starvation and corruption is not lightening mode...its categorically the opposite of keeping it light.
This isn't a guilt thing and especially not an anger over the issues in the 3rd world thing. It's an originality thing, I have the same reaction to Git 'R' Done.
If you're gonna use sad stuff as a sounding board for humor don't half-### it by saying something that someone's aunt probably says on a regular basis.
So, let me just make sure I understand this right:
If I complain about how the store across the street doesn't have my favorite soda in stock today, and then after a bit say, "First World Problems", I am some sort of #######, because it conjures up images of awful bad things, and because you don't consider it to be original? Or is it just because it's not original?
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Here's why this irks me, if you say something along those lines, there's a couple of things that could be going on:
*snip*
While I feel for you about the stress situation, as I'm in the same situation as well, the whole meaning behind "First World Problems" is that people here in the United States complain about the most mundane things that most take for granted. For example, the person getting .8 mps download speed is complaining that it takes 5 seconds to load a website. My brother can't get internet service faster than dial-up where he lives.
It's how a person might go on a rant because the local 7 11 is out of Cherry Slurpee, or that their iPhone battery died before they could get home to the charger. Basically, it calls out people's petty problems that aren't really big issues.
the customer is ALWAYS right. Ask him is birthday. lol
Very true. I work in customer service at a grocery store. When I first started it took me a while to learn where everything was located. Anyway I had a customer ask me where to find canned mushrooms and I told him I didn't know because I just started working there, I also stated that I could ask someone else for him. He replied "No I will find someone smart on my own" So I said "Did you just call me stupid for not knowing where the canned mushrooms are?" He said "yes." so I replied "You don't know where they are either." and then I walked away. So the customer is always right; I'm stupid but so is he.
It's like yesterday morning I was complaining about how I couldn't log into Facebook. It's something that we should be glad that we can complain about when there's people out there who don't even know what Facebook is. So first world problems is sort of like meh, I really shouldn't be complaining so much about this when there are people out there who have it worst so it just isn't really that big of a deal.
Sounds like context doesn't matter to some, though, which is my point:
So, let me just make sure I understand this right:
If I complain about how the store across the street doesn't have my favorite soda in stock today, and then after a bit say, "First World Problems", I am some sort of #######, because it conjures up images of awful bad things, and because you don't consider it to be original? Or is it just because it's not original?
The issue I see is that you're drawing attention to it. We all have problems, but when you joke "1st world" problems, it sounds like you don't have an appreciation for 3rd world problems at all. Maybe you don't, not my place to conjecture. But doing that in jest shows a lack of true understanding or compassion for 3rd world people.
It's the same line of thinking that school children use when mocking the retarded or disabled students. Who are you to mock them, directly or indirectly, for a crappy situation they had no control over and are still trying to make the best of?
Does anybody else have a terrible temptation to respond to complaints about the overuse of the phrase "first world problems" with . . . "first world problems?"
The issue I see is that you're drawing attention to it. We all have problems, but when you joke "1st world" problems, it sounds like you don't have an appreciation for 3rd world problems at all. Maybe you don't, not my place to conjecture. But doing that in jest shows a lack of true understanding or compassion for 3rd world people.
It's the same line of thinking that school children use when mocking the retarded or disabled students. Who are you to mock them, directly or indirectly, for a crappy situation they had no control over and are still trying to make the best of?
I don't think that's an appropriate analogy. The "1st world problems" joke doesn't mock those in the third world, it mocks those in the first world.