Also i expect the escaping hero to be Wolverine. Whether he's Pro or Anti reg. Just because he's the right kind of person to build up with "I don't need no training..." and them eventually bringing him in for it. Well that and Marvel loves Wolverine.

Well, you're assuming they would put every single hero into training and all at the same time, or at least quick enough so that no one notices almost every hero is under mind control. That's a very specific theory and it'd take at the very least, a prior knowledge of everything as well as a hand in orchestrating it all to pull off. I don't know if even Red Skull could pull that off.

It has been said that SHIELD will get a new director at the end of all of this. As of right now, I'd actually put my money on Tony Stark.

Why would they have to go in at the same time? A simple delayed action command on a keyword would make them all sleeper agents.

Also, i'm not saying nessisarily it's Redskull. But someone behind this all could be doing it.

Heck, if Redskull got incontrol of shield like he did the comittee he could eaisly do it however. Even after the heroes have had their training he could always call them in for "additional courses in such and such."

So someone like Redskull could exploit this knowlegde AFTER the Pro-reg heroes have won.

I liked Tony as an alcoholic more than I like him as an #######.

But he always was an #######.

Not really. Iron Man is basically Marvels version of Batman.

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Would you want those guys running around totally unchecked with no regulation or even any training?

Heck, you say it's stupid to trust someone that much but think about it this way: you put your life in someone else's hands everytime you go out on the interestate or - as silly as this may sound - if you've ever gotten a shave from a barber. On a less silly note, you entrust doctors with your life and do you really want us (I'm a physician) going around treating you with no training or regulation? Pretty much every major profession requires some sort of formal training, licensing and regulation to make sure someone doesn't do a really bad screw-up that ruins (or costs) someone's life, so why should some teenager with the ability to spit fire be exempt?

That bit about, "protecting people's identities" doesn't fly with me either because, let's face it, every cop, judge, and DA in the MU is willing to put their life on the line without "hiding their identity" everytime they help put someone like Carnage in jail - and those guys don't even have any special powers, equipment or super-teammates to help protect them if the bad guy does take a hankering for going after family members.

As for Cap's side, their arguement is "We don't like the law so we're going to openly rebel against it." Uhm...isn't that what, say, Ultron's done most of his existence? "I don't like the rule of fleshlings so I am going to work to eradicate it by operating within my own system"? You don't like a law, you take it to court. You protest against it. You work to elect new congressmen (heck, you think if Cap decided to get up and publically endorse a candidate that guy wouldn't fly into office?). You don't go around endangering people's lives with free-for-all fights (remember, Cap's team ambushed Tony's transport, not the other way around) or saying "Well, I don't like the law so it's okay for me to break it." Heck, isn't that the same stupid excuse those NAMBLA (or whatever the acronym is) guys use?

Yeah, Tony's actions may be reprehensible and condemnable but the basic idea he's standing behind isn't bad. Maybe boot the guy in charge, rework the system a bit and keep going with the concept.

So, yes, I'm Pro-Reg.

It's not so much that resisting registration or supporting registration is the core of Civil War - it's that Reed, Tony and Hank are all acting bizarrely out of character and are inexplicably willing to violate others' liberty. While they're coming down on the anti-authoritarian side of things, Cap & Company are remaining true to their values - saving lives, putting themselves in danger for the greater good, etc.

It's not that a Registration Act is a bad thing, or that right-wing ideas are bad, it's just that the Pro-Reg characters are acting like supervillains.

--part of this is because Civil War isn't a good comic book, I'll admit.
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Actually a large part of it is because Civil War has been poorly written and more like a political slam at, say, the Patriot Act.

Here's a question though: are Reed, Tony and Hank violating other's liberties or are they upholding the law they all took swore an oath to support? It's not unlike saying, "When a cop kills a criminal are they taking away that crook's liberties - liberties that criminal has freely chosen to give-up the second they decided to commit a crime - or is the cop doing his job and protecting other people's liberties even if it tarnishes his own soul a bit?".

I think the concept of registering superheros and villains is understandable. HOW they are using that info is completely wrong. At first, they say, register with the government so you won't be arrested. Then, once they do, not only is their cover blown, but we've seen a few instances already where the government uses strong arm tactics and blackmail to coerce *cough* force *cough* newly registered guinea pigs to do whatever they want them to do. Then throw in the cloning of friends, using mentally insane killers to track down friends, etc and I quickly start to side with Cap.

By supporting the registration, they are violating other people's liberties. They are supporting a law that allows the government to control the lives of any of its citizens that it wants by using a vague label (some of the people they are registering don't even have superpowers). Any person who refuses to register isn't given any other option (like retiring or using their powers to do no more than gets cats out of trees) and is imprisoned using cruel and unusual punishment (the Negative Zone has a very bad effect on some people and some heroes have already committed suicide in the prison because of those effects). These people aren't given any sort of trial, they can't defend themselves, they have no way of getting out except registering, they simply disappear and have their lives taken away from them.

Not to mention the rights they took away from the Thor clone. Yes, he's a clone but does nobody wonder if he had any sort of rights before Reed (and maybe others) programmed him to be a weapon of SHIELD?

Then there's the media, Reed is shown in Civil War Frontline to be interfering in the media's coverage of the events. And others have also done so.

Relating it to the real world is also tough. In the real world cops and DAs don't have to deal with maniacs on gliders who throw pumpkin bombs or a guy in a super powered metal suit with a time machine bent on conquering the earth. Or alien invasions. In the Marvel Universe not only do heroes have to deal with them but how many times do these threats come from inside SHIELD or inside the government?

See, you lost me there.

Are we talking about the same Rebublican party that opposes gun control and generally favors minimal interference in the daily lives and liberties of its citizens?

Or, are we talking about the Republican party that has spent the last 5 years eroding those same civil liberties, attempted to ignore basic tenets of the Constitution, created a culture of fear by lying to its constituents, started a war that has lead to the deaths of over 2000 U.S. servicemen and woman and possibly as many as 600,000 civilians, tried to jam a judeo-christian ethos down my throat, and has generally been a pain in my rear end for the last 6 years?

The former would never support Registration, and I couldn't give a rat's @$$ about the latter.

But I digress.

No, I do not stand with Iron Man. As far as his actions of late, they do seem contrary to the way he's been written for most of his existence: More about progress and betterment than personal gain.

that's only because they've recently decided to write him that way

Iron Man =/= Batman

I'm kind of in the middle, I can see the good and bad being done by both sides. Several of my friends don't see how anyone can NOT be on Tony's side.

Doctors can't take over the world if they get brainwashed. If I lived in the Marvel U where brainwashing heroes to be evil has been old hat since like WW2 I would want my heroes independant of training and goverment watch.

Your argueing about property damage. I'm argueing about world conquest. Registration of your ID is with me fine. Any sort of forced government control or training however isn't. It's going to get the country taken over.

All the Pro-Reg people should be doing is beating down the Anti-reg people, unmasking them, identifing them, forcebly register there identity then cut them loose.

If the choice is the occasional Stamford incidents or stupidly gathering all your power in one are where it can be eaisly turned against you.

I'd gladly take the deathtoll of Stamford over the deathtoll that would be caused if most of the Superhero community suddenly went bad and attacked to take over.

Regular people have no defense against Superheroes and Supervillains and ironically that's why registration is a BAD idea.

In a world where superheros have to deal with things like mindcontrol it's foolish to subject all of the heroes to training under the same government.

The smart thing the anti-reggers should have done was simply not fight back and not fight crime. Let the system go then fight back when some villain has taken advantage. Of course with the forcing of people to action I suppose all of the heroes would have to move to Canada or some other country. Which really is fine with me... I mean some of these smaller countries have like 1 superhero for the whole country if that.