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They couldn't have just gotten a divorce? They couldn't have just killed her? Man, anything would have been preferable to the ham-fistery they wound up going with.
You seem to have missed the part where I said "the solution blew".
Personally, while I really dislike some of JoeyQ's editorial decisons, I'd never actually resort to violence were I to meet him(mainly because I'd like to work for Marvel at some point). At most, I'd just screw up a drink order of his. It's funnier that way.
Still, May should've died from the gunshot. Let's see Peter grow from his Aunt's(mother-figure) death, not find a way out of it happening.
I'm really wondering, how do you define increasing sales? Despite the fact that the book is now coming three times as often as it used to, it's still dropping 10% every six months. And from the "glorious start" #546, the book has lost over half of it's readers.
Quote : Originally Posted by Quebbster
There should be other ways to get a prize besides crushing your opponent, see them driven before you and hearing the lamentations of their women.
Excuse it how you want, but ASM is higher in the charts than its been since OMD.
Let me qualify my statement so that so can get off your high horse:
"Sales have been steadily increasing since the drop off of OMD."
I figured that part of my statement was a given, but apparently you're just looking for someone to exert your ego on.
Strange how you seem to state that the book went from once a month to 3 times a month yet somehow that doesn't translate as 'increased sales' to you.
You do know that you should be adding up the 3 titles and comparing them to the singular one right?
Oh you don't?
Trying to prove a head-strong point in an attempt to assert your ego?
Well lets see:
3 x roughly 70,000 is what about 210,000?
Yeah ASM sales are sinking fast huh?
LOL!
Oh sorry I forgot nothing I say counts cause I'm a troll...
Please continue on with your biased blather...
Higher in the charts? That's like saying a totalled motorcycle in the river is better than a working bike in your garage simply because it cost more.
Yeah, that 210 000 a month sounds hard to beat. Until you count that ASM did around 140,000, Sensational did around 60,000, and Friendly Neighborhood did around 40,000 before the merger. That totals 240,000. So in a year Spider-Man sales have gone down 30,000 since BND started.
I'd like to say something witty right here, but since to you that would seem like I'm asserting and exerting my massive ego while doing a backflip on my high horse, I'm not going to say anything.
Quote : Originally Posted by Quebbster
There should be other ways to get a prize besides crushing your opponent, see them driven before you and hearing the lamentations of their women.
I have not fogiven it. I am still waiting for them to fix it. The sales, at my two local stores has gone from being pretty good, to only ordering two for the shelves, if you don't pre order it, you ain't getting it. The overall sales, don't you know that 80% of all numbers can be used to tell anything, 60% of the time.
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I just didn't understand why they couldn't kill off Aunt May? It seems to me that you could've had far more interesting stories to tell in regards to how Peter deals with his Aunt's death. Then if you want to have MJ and Peter split due to the emotional toll and turmoil from being Spider Man and the affect it has had on everyone around them, I would even be ok with that. But just having Peter forget everything about MJ and their marriage is just lazy storytelling. Heck, why not just have Peter somehow forget his uncle Ben died and bring him back to life. He can have a grand old time being Spider Man without any of the personal anguish that drove him to become Spider Man in the first place. I haven't thought about this in awhile, but now that I am, it's really irritating me again as to what a lazy attempt to make Peter single again this really was.
I can't wait to read about 45 year old Peter Parker, trying to pick up chics at the club. Ridiculous.
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HERE HERE!!! You said what I wanted to say but didn't. Rep to you my friend.
Excuse it how you want, but ASM is higher in the charts than its been since OMD.
Let me qualify my statement so that so can get off your high horse:
"Sales have been steadily increasing since the drop off of OMD."
I figured that part of my statement was a given, but apparently you're just looking for someone to exert your ego on.
Strange how you seem to state that the book went from once a month to 3 times a month yet somehow that doesn't translate as 'increased sales' to you.
You do know that you should be adding up the 3 titles and comparing them to the singular one right?
Oh you don't?
Trying to prove a head-strong point in an attempt to assert your ego?
Well lets see:
3 x roughly 70,000 is what about 210,000?
Yeah ASM sales are sinking fast huh?
LOL!
Oh sorry I forgot nothing I say counts cause I'm a troll...
Please continue on with your biased blather...
I know nothing about BND or OMD.. But I can say I think you're wrong..
Increasing a book to 2-3x per month is not an increase in sales.. That's forcing your readers to read 2-3 more comics a month.
An increase in sales would be an increase of numbers Per Issue.
I don't care if issue #578 had 73,000 and #579 had 74,000 if both were in july.
If issue #560 were the only one that came out last July and the figures said, "#560 had 120,000 readers it would mean that it's sales have dropped.
Sorry, while 2 issues making 147,000 readers seems "better" than one issue having 120,000, it's really just forcing loyal readers to buy more, not driving up sales..
But that's just my opinion
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I have not forgiven. The funny thing, atleast some of the latest issues have been pretty good. It's just whenever they force me to remember that this is the BND, I start to dislike the otherwise excellent storyline.
The Flash Thompson issue was good, but that story could have been told in any continuity, it wasn't a good BND issue, it was a good Spider-Man issue.
The current storyline with Harry, the same thing could have happened without BND.
How I woud fix it.
1) Spider-Man figures out something is wrong in this "continuity", and eventually confronts Mephisto. Due to the circumstances, there is a price for "changing it all back". Nothing actually changes in the daily lives of people, just the facts how things are the way they are.
2) MJ is no longer with Peter because the "death" of their daughter, May's injury, Spider-Man "revealing" his identity is too much for her to handle right now.
3) Spider-Man's identity is once again a secret, not because people don't remember it, but because they believe it was all a trick made by the now hated Tony Stark during Civil War to protect the identity of the real Spider-Man. Add in the Skrulls, and there's a lot of paranoia going around.
4) Aunt May knows Spider-Man's identity. She and Peter now live back in their newly built house.
5) Norman Osborn has mental issues because of the Goblin serum, and the drugs he was put on after being imprisoned have caused him to lose some memories, such as the identity of Spider-Man. He is having rage attacks and moments of insanity because his subconscius still knows, and the serum is fighting against the drugs he needs to take in fear of losing control to his inner goblin.
6) Flash regained some of his memories and joined the armed forces.
Did I leave any open ends?
Eh . . . Spider-Man and Mary Jane go together like Superman and Lois Lane. You just can't split them up, and they deserve to stay married.
I could always relate to Peter. Brand New Day and One More day make me see the parallels less and less.
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Eh . . .
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Why? So we can see some more "continuity sound events" like Gwen and Norman's love children or Spiderman with organic webs and claws?
Again, I hated OMD, but at least Queso had the cajones to do what the Spider-writers have wanted to do for 15 years but have been afraid to do.
My guess for the decreased sales? Pre-OMD Spider-Man was a tie in book for 18 months prior. I guarantee that if BND tied in to Secret Invasion, it would have gotten a significant bump in sales. If you want apples to apples on this, go back and look at Spider-Man sales before Road to Civil War. I haven't looked, but I'm going to guess that there is a similar level of sales.
But...Nightcrawler really has been my favorite character for years.
I think people often confuse the result with the "how". Brand New Day from what I've seen , read, and perused on the intraweb....it hasn't been half bad. Slott's a guy who really seems to enjoy writing comic books. I think that shows in the work.
However, what Marvel did to get here........to compromise the character of Peter Parker like that.......what some people call a true hero in every sense of the word...... that's unforgivable.
If you're good, you find a way around it. Marvel and Joe Q's agenda (tell me that that isn't so...I dare ya!) didn't. They just took the ol' "deal with the devil" route. Ridiculous. And insulting to those that have read the book and the character for years.
Say what you will, but that was poison. And until they fix it however that may be......Peter Parker is tainted no matter what.
Why? So we can see some more "continuity sound events" like Gwen and Norman's love children or Spiderman with organic webs and claws?
Again, I hated OMD, but at least Queso had the cajones to do what the Spider-writers have wanted to do for 15 years but have been afraid to do.
Eh, the organic webs and claws I didn't like, but the concept of evolution, growth, and maturity were excellent ways of confronting the theme of fate vs. science that's been a part of the Spider-Man mythos since Amazing Fantasy 15.
I can see how they handled the whole Gwen kids, except as long as she didn't willingly sleep with Norman . . . granted, she did, which is lame, but at least it wasn't Mary Jane getting screwed. I never did get the whole "Gwen is teh one for Spidey". Black Cat - maybe, but not Gwen, and What's wrong with Betty Brant? Come on now . . .
I didn't always agree with what happened to Spider-Man/Peter Parker, but I loved the themes JMS was addressing. He understood Peter Parker better than any other writer (except maybe back in the Steve Ditko or John Romita/Stan Lee years) and the dialogue between him and Mary Jane reminds me of my girlfriend and I.
Hey . . . what do you know . . . I relate to Spider-Man/Peter Parker based on a romantic relationship with a woman. . . how does that happen . . . ?
Eh . . .
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