apparently they are under discussion if they will get errated to just having for now though they are

when i say errated to i mean for both 140 and 280.

Why would they get eratta'd for BOTH point costs? Because they still have seperate dials?

they should definitely ONLY errata it if you use 140 pt version. the 280 IMO should keep the

It's funny, I was just thinking about this the other day. It would have been nice if you could have used this feat card with Captain Marvel, oh well...

Going back to the original topic, I would concur with the naysayers, and that's saying something considering how hard I look for loopholes!

What does the dial say that BA/Shazam's range is? Zero? What does the feat require? Six range or more, right? So, no, they wouldn't qualify.

Now, looking at their special power, does it say that their range is six? Nope. Just that they get to use a suped up energy explosion, "as if their range was 6." The, "as if," means that it is not a range of 6.

Actually, "as if" has meant "is" many times in the past in this game.


Additionally, I see no reason why this would be different than Earthbound allowing a figure to qualify for feats requiring , , , or .

Yeah, technically, it does work. Feat is free at the opening dial, when cost is figured, but it isn't 'activated' as the prereq isn't on the dial. As soon as Shazam! gets that 6 range SP, tho, it works.

Personally, I'd rather they make a ruling that does not allow this combination. I'd rather not have to worry about Shazam, Arachne, and any other similarly worded SP getting a free second lightening bolt in the future.
If they're ruled that they do work together, then, hell for free you'll see this feat slapped on the character every time. Might as well have just built it into the card! :P

Remember the Thor's Chariot-Doppelganger discussion? That was an as if discussion. Which way was that ruled?

My instinct is that they shouldn't be able to use ambidexterous, but it's not backed up by anything. When I read the power and the Feat I can't find anything that would prevent it.

nicely put!

Is this any different also, than if you were in Deep Shadows? that wouldn't change the point cost of the feat/character for being reduced to 6, instead of, say, 10 or 12. Your character suddenly has 6 range by a game effect.

And "as if they had 6 range" is also not a modifier. Is it even a replacement value, since it doesnt say Can use or May use? i know 0 range MC's were set to 4 range, but that was also "as if's" and werent considered replaced, though thats before the new PAC.

It was ruled that Thoriot can destroy the Dopplegangers.

It has to do with the fact that the 2 never really worked together even when on the JSA. I think the dial is supposed to reflect a tag team effect where they are not both there at the same time.

If the feat does work, it would not be free, as you must have at least a range 6 to assign it, so its minimum cost is 12.

It seams that this has degraded into a back and fourth argument with no end in sight. Is it possible to have Norm, or a rules arbitor/depute, give us a definitive answer. Yes or no and the point cost of the feat.

I do. But maybe I have super-vision. Wait! If i have supper-vision i must also have flight! WEEEE! *jumps out a window*

If I have supper vision I must also have an enormous belly!