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I..wait, what? I thought the SS TA worked so that if one with the TA was ko'd you roll, not whoever was next to the poor schmuck. Time to reread the TA
Or you just look at Suttkus' post since he is absolutely right.
Am I required by Realms Law to put this line in my signature? : - )
I believe that you are. You know, we need a keeper of the Book of the Realms, like Keith Richards's character in Pirates of the Caribbean. Or Lyssa Drak, to use a heroclix example.
Quote : Originally Posted by Magnito
In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
Quote : Originally Posted by Masenko
Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
Quote : Originally Posted by Thrumble Funk
Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.
For some reason, this TA really seems to confuse people. Let's take it point by point.
This ability only occurs when a friendly character next to a character with the Suicide Squad TA is KOed. The KOd figure does not need to have the team ability, so, for example, if Bane (Batman Enemy TA) is standing next to Scandal Savage (Suicide Squad TA), and Bane is KOd, Scandal gets to use her team ability.
Suicide Squad teams love pogs. Throw a bunch of bystander tokens on the team, have them push to move next to their Suicide Squad buddies, they are KOd by the pushing damage and the Suicide Squad TA triggers. I like to imagine the little guys saying, "I... brought you... the med kit..." as they lay dying. : - )
This part is fairly straight forward, I think.
This part confuses a lot of people.
The first clause is typically easy to understand. Wait for whatever caused the KO to finish resolving before you start doing any healing. This can be quite a delay depending on what is going on. I'll give an example in a minute.
The middle clause is the one that gets people. What is that doing in there? It's simpler than it sounds, really. If the character with Suicide Squad TA is KOd by the same action that KOd the first character, he doesn't get any healing.
Okay, let's look at some examples.
Secret six team! (Yeah, I'm making one soon, they're on my brain, sue me.)
For all of these examples, Bane has the Batman Enemy TA, Scandal Savage and Deadshot have the Suicide Squad TA and they are all standing next to each other.
The easy example: Bane is KOd by a simple attack. Scandal Savage and Deadshot both get to heal when the attack is over.
The other easy example: Scandal Savage is KOd by a simple attack. Deadshot gets to heal with his TA. Bane doesn't, and curses his fate, wishing he'd gotten a better Team Ability, maybe a cool wildcard. He could be a Calculator, right?
More fun example: Someone critical hits Bane with Energy Explosion. All three characters take damage BEFORE anyone gets to heal. Only after the damage is applied and everyone is KOd do you determine if anyone can use Suicide Squad. This is where that last clause becomes important. If Scandal Savage is KOd at the same time as Bane is, she does not get to use her TA to heal. So, if Bane and Scandal are KOd, Scandal doesn't heal, but Deadshot gets to heal TWICE!
Even more fun example: Bouncing Boy has a special ability that says (simplified), if he KOs a figure, he can move and attack someone else as part of the same action. Remember that Suicide Squad says to heal after the action resolves. If Bouncing Boy charges over and beats up on Bane (hey, stranger things have happened), and Bane is KOd, Scandal and Deadshot do not get to use their TAs to heal yet as Bouncing Boy's actions have not yet resolved. They have to wait for BB to move and attack someone else (probably one of them!) before they can use their TAs. If they are still un-KOd after Bouncing Boy is finished, THEN they get to use their TAs to heal. So, Bouncing Boy KOs Bane, then moves and attacks Scandal. If he KOs Scandal, Deadshot gets to heal twice, but Scandal will never get to use her TA for Bane's KO. If Scandal isn't KOd, both she and Deadshot get to use their TAs to heal.
Easy way to recall how it works, and the way I used to tell new players to remember it years ago when the TA first came out:
TAs only give their benefits to the character with the TA. The healing from the SS TA thus, gives the benefit only to the figure(s) with the SS TA.
Now that might have changed in the intervening years since I played the game a lot more, but at least in this case, it still works.
The problem with that is that there are a lot of team abilities that give a benefit to other characters. SHIELD, Hydra, Police, etc.
Generalizations like that don't work. You have to look at each one individually.
Quote : Originally Posted by Magnito
In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
Quote : Originally Posted by Masenko
Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
Quote : Originally Posted by Thrumble Funk
Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.
The problem with that is that there are a lot of team abilities that give a benefit to other characters. SHIELD, Hydra, Police, etc.
Generalizations like that don't work. You have to look at each one individually.
All those TAs you mention however, explicitly state they aid another, and explicitly state that the figure with the TA has to instigate the ability of the TA.
In other words: The figures with the TA are still the ones that use the power.
I kinda love this out of context. It's like a mobius strip.
My words are like a continuous one-sided surface formed by rotating one end of a rectangular strip 180° and attaching it to the other end? I'm not sure what to make of that.
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All those TAs you mention however, explicitly state they aid another, and explicitly state that the figure with the TA has to instigate the ability of the TA.
In other words: The figures with the TA are still the ones that use the power.
That's the point. You said "TAs only give their benefits to the character with the TA." I pointed out that this was incorrect. Only the character using the team ability use the team ability, but clearly other characters get "benefits" from it.
Quote : Originally Posted by Magnito
In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
Quote : Originally Posted by Masenko
Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
Quote : Originally Posted by Thrumble Funk
Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.
My words are like a continuous one-sided surface formed by rotating one end of a rectangular strip 180° and attaching it to the other end? I'm not sure what to make of that.
It reminded me of a favorite phrase: All generalizations are false.
You made a generalization about generalizations... and that tickles me.
"We're all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." -Wilde
It reminded me of a favorite phrase: All generalizations are false.
You made a generalization about generalizations... and that tickles me.
Technically, I said "generalization like that," by which I was referring to generalizing the rules of the game when it's not technically correct to do so, but I see where you're coming from.
And yes, I do despise generalizations, generally.
Quote : Originally Posted by Magnito
In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
Quote : Originally Posted by Masenko
Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
Quote : Originally Posted by Thrumble Funk
Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.
Secret six team! (Yeah, I'm making one soon, they're on my brain, sue me.)
For all of these examples, Bane has the Batman Enemy TA, Scandal Savage and Deadshot have the Suicide Squad TA and they are all standing next to each other.
The easy example: Bane is KOd by a simple attack. Scandal Savage and Deadshot both get to heal when the attack is over.
The other easy example: Scandal Savage is KOd by a simple attack. Deadshot gets to heal with his TA. Bane doesn't, and curses his fate, wishing he'd gotten a better Team Ability, maybe a cool wildcard. He could be a Calculator, right?
More fun example: Someone critical hits Bane with Energy Explosion. All three characters take damage BEFORE anyone gets to heal. Only after the damage is applied and everyone is KOd do you determine if anyone can use Suicide Squad. This is where that last clause becomes important. If Scandal Savage is KOd at the same time as Bane is, she does not get to use her TA to heal. So, if Bane and Scandal are KOd, Scandal doesn't heal, but Deadshot gets to heal TWICE!
Even more fun example: Bouncing Boy has a special ability that says (simplified), if he KOs a figure, he can move and attack someone else as part of the same action. Remember that Suicide Squad says to heal after the action resolves. If Bouncing Boy charges over and beats up on Bane (hey, stranger things have happened), and Bane is KOd, Scandal and Deadshot do not get to use their TAs to heal yet as Bouncing Boy's actions have not yet resolved. They have to wait for BB to move and attack someone else (probably one of them!) before they can use their TAs. If they are still un-KOd after Bouncing Boy is finished, THEN they get to use their TAs to heal. So, Bouncing Boy KOs Bane, then moves and attacks Scandal. If he KOs Scandal, Deadshot gets to heal twice, but Scandal will never get to use her TA for Bane's KO. If Scandal isn't KOd, both she and Deadshot get to use their TAs to heal.
Clear as mud?
Suicide Squad has been clarified to make Suttkus' examples airtight. (As the power is written, a character should not have been able to heal twice.)
From the Player's Guide:
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The team ability will activate for each adjacent friendly character KO‘d.