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This is not correct. Pulse Wave does not target, the power description says so.
Now you may say "well, it is targeting because how does it attack without a target" and I'd say to you "you are thinking of the every day use of the word 'target' when you say that. As far as the game of Heroclix is concerned, though, there is no target."
Ok I see your point, but I was using that as justification to get a Ranged Combat Attack out of Pulse Wave. That's because it seems to me that according to the definition of Ranged Combat Attack (see above) in order to to have a Ranged Combat Attack you need 1) an unblocked line of fire 2) to be within range 3) an attack 4) a target.
Pulse Wave
Give this character a ranged combat action; halve its range value until the action has been resolved. Draw lines of fire to every character within range in every direction; these lines of fire are only blocked by walls, blocking and elevated terrain. All powers, abilities, traits and feats used by characters with a line of fire drawn to them are ignored until the action has been resolved, though wild cards using this power can use the team ability of a friendly character within range of this attack. At least one opposing character must have a line of fire drawn to it to activate this power. If ignoring a game effect would cause a character with a line of fire drawn to it to no longer have a line of fire drawn to it, then it is not ignored. If lines of fire can be drawn to two or more characters, this character’s damage value becomes 1and is locked. Make a single attack roll and compare the result to the defense value of each character with a line of fire drawn to it (hindering terrain still increases character’s defense values by +1); each character hit is dealt damage. Attacks made with this power do not target characters.
(Note that nowhere in the description of Pulse Wave is the term "Ranged Combat Attack" used.)
Since Pulse Wave doesn't target, does it still include a Ranged Combat Attack? If Pulse Wave doesn't use a Ranged Combat Attack why can't you Pulse Wave when adjacent to opposing characters since only Ranged Combat Attacks are illegal when next to opposing characters, not Ranged Combat Actions (unless I missed that somewhere)?
Ranged combat attack is not said, per se, be ranged combat action IS said... and combat actions always result in combat attacks.
Thanks for clearing that up. We can basically think of Pulse Wave as using Ranged Combat Attacks that don't target.
So if pulse wave basically uses Ranged Combat Attacks my first post still holds and I would say to the original post that Colossal characters need at least one non-adjacent opposing character to use Pulse Wave and that Pulse wave would not affect adjacent opposing characters.
Thanks for clearing that up. We can basically think of Pulse Wave as using Ranged Combat Attacks that don't target.
So if pulse wave basically uses Ranged Combat Attacks my first post still holds and I would say to the original post that Colossal characters need at least one non-adjacent opposing character to use Pulse Wave and that Pulse wave would not affect adjacent opposing characters.
But, pulse wave says you make an attack roll against everyone in line of fire. You can't make the ranged combat action if your only targets are adjacent, but if you can make any legal ranged combat action against a nonadjacent character, it should affect those adjacent (yet still in line of fire) characters as well.
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Thanks for clearing that up. We can basically think of Pulse Wave as using Ranged Combat Attacks that don't target.
So if pulse wave basically uses Ranged Combat Attacks my first post still holds and I would say to the original post that Colossal characters need at least one non-adjacent opposing character to use Pulse Wave
yes
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and that Pulse wave would not affect adjacent opposing characters.
No.
to Pulse Wave in itself hits all characters opposing & friendly. PW can even hit characters in Stealth when say another attack couldn't draw LOF to them.
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Since Mr. View has come by and that he didn't say anything to contradict you all, I guess I'm the guy who's wrong.
I still don't agree with that way of seeing things, but hey ! I don't have to like a ruling, just to apply it.
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Since Mr. View has come by and that he didn't say anything to contradict you all, I guess I'm the guy who's wrong.
I still don't agree with that way of seeing things, but hey ! I don't have to like a ruling, just to apply it.
I don't know if there is a ruling yet.
It seems to be a consensus that you can't use Pulse Wave unless there is a non-adjacent opposing character and would affect that character.
The question still on the table is: Does Pulse Wave also affect adjacent characters?
I say no because Pulse Wave is a type of Ranged Combat Attack and you can't do Ranged Combat Attacks against adjacent characters.
Others say yes because Pulse Wave affects every character within line of fire and since you can draw lines of fire to opposing characters they would also be affected.
We're running a colossal tournament next week and I'm sure we'll see Nemesis. I hope there is a nice orange ruling by then.
It seems to be a consensus that you can't use Pulse Wave unless there is a non-adjacent opposing character and would affect that character.
The question still on the table is: Does Pulse Wave also affect adjacent characters?
I say no because Pulse Wave is a type of Ranged Combat Attack and you can't do Ranged Combat Attacks against adjacent characters.
Others say yes because Pulse Wave affects every character within line of fire and since you can draw lines of fire to opposing characters they would also be affected.
We're running a colossal tournament next week and I'm sure we'll see Nemesis. I hope there is a nice orange ruling by then.
When a Sharpshooter uses pulsewave it affects adjacent and nonadjacent figures.
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I say no because Pulse Wave is a type of Ranged Combat Attack and you can't do Ranged Combat Attacks against adjacent characters.
Pulse Wave has always hit adjacent characters. Whether they be friendly or opposing(when flyers were allowed to make Ranged attacks/actions while based).
The only question you need answered, and it has been on this thread, is whether the Colossal is ableto initiate Pulse Wave. After that you go by the text of Pulse Wave.
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Pulse Wave has always hit adjacent characters. Whether they be friendly or opposing(when flyers were allowed to make Ranged attacks/actions while based).
The only question you need answered, and it has been on this thread, is whether the Colossal is ableto initiate Pulse Wave. After that you go by the text of Pulse Wave.
yeah that wat i would like to know mr cranberry and i ran into this issue the other night when we were playin
yeah that wat i would like to know mr cranberry and i ran into this issue the other night when we were playin
Naw, we answered that already and got it right when we played. What we need to know is how many times does a specific figure need to pick up Mjolnir before they just get a trait saying they're worthy and they start the game with it
Though we did learn that you don't mess with Edward Nigma cause he'll smack the bejeezus out of Nightcrawler and not get hit by Sabretooth or Archangel.
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Naw, we answered that already and got it right when we played. What we need to know is how many times does a specific figure need to pick up Mjolnir before they just get a trait saying they're worthy and they start the game with it
Though we did learn that you don't mess with Edward Nigma cause he'll smack the bejeezus out of Nightcrawler and not get hit by Sabretooth or Archangel.
no no he is not im gonna start a petition for u not to play mjnoir w/ noh-varr ever again
When a Sharpshooter uses pulsewave it affects adjacent and nonadjacent figures.
Okay, knowing that I change my opinion. I think adjacent characters would be hit by the Pulse Wave.
Going through the wording of Pulse Wave:
Draw lines of fire to every character within range in every direction; these lines of fire are only blocked by walls, blocking and elevated terrain. All powers, abilities, traits and feats used by characters with a line of fire drawn to them are ignored until the action has been resolved, though wild cards using this power can use the team ability of a friendly character within range of this attack. At least one opposing character must have a line of fire drawn to it to activate this power.
So to use Pulse Wave you need "At least one opposing character [with a] line of fire drawn to it to activate this power" after the conditions in the two previous sentences are met.
Once you active this power, since Pulse Wave doesn't target, you ignore the rule pertaining to Ranged Combat Attacks and adjacency. So Pulse Wave can affect characters normally not affected by ranged combat attacks. Sharpshooters hitting non-adjacent characters while adjacent to opposing characters is one example. Therefore Colossal characters hitting adjacent characters with one non-adjacent character in range would be another.
Where this ruling seems conflict other rulings is in the question of "Why can't you Pulse Wave when adjacent to opposing characters?" If you can draw a line of fire to them you can activate Pulse Wave. After Pulse Wave is activated you ignore the rule pertaining to Ranged Combat Attacks and adjacency because Pulse Wave doesn't target. So it would seem that it would be legal to use Pulse Wave when adjacent to opposing characters.
Except you can't because it's been ruled that you can't. So I would say that to activate Pulse Wave the last sentence of the ruling that I quoted above functionality reads like: "At least one opposing character must have a line of fire drawn to it and be a legal target for a Ranged Combat Attack to activate this power.
If you interpret Pulse Wave with the added phrase, it would make it illegal for Colossal characters to use Pulse wave without any non-adjacent opposing characters.