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Thanks, Suttkus, that addresses the question I was trying to ask.
How did my answer not address this? The only difference between the bit you quoted and my answer is he used letters while I specified adjacent characters.
Genuinely curious here... trying to figure out where the disconnect is so I can try to cover it in the future.
How did my answer not address this? The only difference between the bit you quoted and my answer is he used letters while I specified adjacent characters.
Genuinely curious here... trying to figure out where the disconnect is so I can try to cover it in the future.
Visual aids, I guess
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How did my answer not address this? The only difference between the bit you quoted and my answer is he used letters while I specified adjacent characters.
Genuinely curious here... trying to figure out where the disconnect is so I can try to cover it in the future.
Saying you must target adjacent characters is not the same as saying you must only target adjacent characters.
Referencing Energy Explosion and Pulse Wave did nothing for me, because I'm still fairly new to the HeroClix rules and those are two of the more complex abilities in my view. I even thought that Energy Explosion did target adjacent figures, but looking again I see that's not the case.
I tried to phrase my questions so they could be answered as simply as possible, and only Suttkus came close to using them, though he still went and came up with a whole new example.
So it looks like the answers are:
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So if a throws at 1, will only B be a target from the grenade, or will a, C, f, and g be targets as well?
Only B will be a target.
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Similar question with 2?
Same result. Only B.
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Can a even use a grenade in squares 3 or 4, since B will not be subject to any attacks that result?
No. B has to be a target.
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Using a grenade results in a ranged combat attack, so it sounds like AAA would be triggered as a result of using a grenade?
Yes.
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If so, how many figures are subject to the effects of AAA? Only one out of however many are hit (Elite player's choice)? Or are all hit figures subject to its effects?
All figures are subject to its effects.
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Again, grenades cause attacks, and this triggers on attacks, so if you roll doubles on your grenade attack roll, does this trigger against all figures hit by the grenade?
You get a single free action to use as an attack against one of the figures hit. Keep in mind it's a 'normal' attack, which will require line of fire and range.
You get a single free action to use as an attack against one of the figures hit. Keep in mind it's a 'normal' attack, which will require line of fire and range.
I don't see where you get this answer? He's targeting all of them the first time, why doesn't he get to target them all with the free action?
I don't see where you get this answer? He's targeting all of them the first time, why doesn't he get to target them all with the free action?
It's a free action to make an attack. This particular character can only attack a single target, so in order to attack, let's say 3 targets, he would have to use 3 free actions to make 3 attacks. But the rules state...
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(Free Actions) A character may not activate the same game effect twice in one turn with free actions, unless the game effect indicates otherwise.
I'd say making 3 attacks counts as the same game effect more than twice in one turn, doesn't it?
He's only going to get a single attack action, so he'll only be able to attack as many figures as that single action allows.
How did my answer not address this? The only difference between the bit you quoted and my answer is he used letters while I specified adjacent characters.
Genuinely curious here... trying to figure out where the disconnect is so I can try to cover it in the future.
It's not that the answers were different, it's just the phrasing.
My father is the world's worst question answerer, so I've had a lot of practice translating fundamentally correct, but not immediately clear or not sufficiently explained answers to something other people can understand. Humor helps. Humor gives a brain a moment to process what it just read before moving on to the next concept. It keeps the reader from having to break his rhythm by stopping his reading to think about what he just read. Or that's my theory.
It's not that the answers were different, it's just the phrasing.
My father is the world's worst question answerer, so I've had a lot of practice translating fundamentally correct, but not immediately clear or not sufficiently explained answers to something other people can understand. Humor helps. Humor gives a brain a moment to process what it just read before moving on to the next concept. It keeps the reader from having to break his rhythm by stopping his reading to think about what he just read. Or that's my theory.
Just putting this out there for the sake of discussion: I used to joke a lot in my responses. Still do occasionally. However, I also got a lot of PMs from people telling me they thought I was insulting them, or being childish, or it wasn't helpful, or [insert negative comment of your choice here], and so on. So I stopped (or, at least, cut back quite a bit).
I personally love humor in explanations. I use it when I teach all the time. But when I get enough PMs from people asking me to stop, that makes me take a second look at the situation. Are they just being negative because they didn't like the ruling? Possibly. But it could also be that they genuinely don't like the humor and just want an answer, plain with no window dressing.
So it becomes a tight-rope act. I want to answer things in a manner to which is useful for the most number of readers. Any feedback to aid me in that endeavor is appreciated.
I would have never guessed that. Interesting. Maybe it's because you are the authority while I'm just a "joe", but I've never had anyone complain about my humor in a rules answer. We must do experiments to find out the reasonable limits of humor in rules answers! Everyone, you are now guinea pigs!
It's a free action to make an attack. This particular character can only attack a single target, so in order to attack, let's say 3 targets, he would have to use 3 free actions to make 3 attacks. But the rules state...
I'd say making 3 attacks counts as the same game effect more than twice in one turn, doesn't it?
He's only going to get a single attack action, so he'll only be able to attack as many figures as that single action allows.
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Indeed it does.
OK, just to be clear in the future, because something just sprung to mine, does this change Cosmic Spider-Man's ruling?
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ENIGMA FORCE BLAST: Cosmic Spider-Man can use Force Blast. If he does so, he can then use Ranged Combat Expert as a free action targeting the same character.
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Prerequisites: Force Blast
Choose a character.
When the character uses Force Blast, the result of the six-sided die roll can be split among multiple target adjacent opposing characters. The targets are otherwise affected normally by Force Blast.
It was ruled that CSM can use RCE on each figure that was Force Blasted. Wouldn't Elite's power and grenade be the same thing?
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CONCENTRATED FIRE: When Elite makes an attack, if the attack roll is doubles and hits, after the attack resolves he may immediately make an attack against the same target as a free action.
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THROW A GRENADE: Give the character a power action, decrease the number of grenades in your grenade pool by 1 (if greater than 0), and choose a type of grenade listed on this card. Choose a target square within 5 squares and line of fire (ignoring characters for line of fire purposes). Make a ranged combat attack targeting all characters occupying or adjacent to the target square. Deal damage to each character hit based only on the type of grenade chosen.
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I think that the CSM/Whirlwind ruling was made with the previous rules where free actions weren't limited to being once per turn. With the new rules CSM can't target all the characters he Force Blasts with Whirlwind.
You could prior to 2011. Not because you were splitting damage, but because you would use RCE (as a free action) against each character knocked back with Force Blast.
However, the rules were streamlined so that any one free action can only be used once per turn per character unless it specifically says otherwise. This allowed us to remvoe "once per turn" from powers like Outwit and Perplex, but it also means that things that used to be able to be used multiple times per turn (like this free RCE or the feat Nanobots) can now only be used once per turn.
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That probably has changed.
Page 8: "A character may not activate the same game effect twice in one turn with free actions, unless the game effect indicates otherwise."
I see the date of the FW and note that it is from before the new rulebook.
i was part of that recent CSM thread and i now have another question regarding the whole "can't be given the same free action more than once a turn" ruling. what if i used BCF with my fig and then my mind controller used compel on that same fig, would i then not be allowed to BCF again?
maybe this is a bad example, but basically, if i compel one of my figs can i or can i not use the same power they may have just used prior to me compelling them?
i could see it being a NO if said power was outwit or perplex, but what about non-free actions?
it's blowing my mind, because ANY action you give to the MC'd fig is considered a free action....
does this question even remotely make sense? sorry if it doesn't
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i was part of that recent CSM thread and i now have another question regarding the whole "can't be given the same free action more than once a turn" ruling. what if i used BCF with my fig and then my mind controller used compel on that same fig, would i then not be allowed to BCF again?
maybe this is a bad example, but basically, if i compel one of my figs can i or can i not use the same power they may have just used prior to me compelling them?
i could see it being a NO if said power was outwit or perplex, but what about non-free actions?
it's blowing my mind, because ANY action you give to the MC'd fig is considered a free action....
does this question even remotely make sense? sorry if it doesn't
MC is counted as it's own sort of beast.
Basically, you treat that MC as its own, well, basically its own game.
Anything that can be done once per _____ can be done each MC.