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So can the "Attack" For Assimilation under way be any action that would RESULT in an attack?
Such as Pulse Wave (a ranged combat action), or Ranged Combat Expert (Power action) Or is it a plain vanilla attack? (OF course taking into account any game effects that kick in with an attack)
NOw what about Running Shot...that'sa Power action that leads to movement that leads to a ranged combat action...Would that count for it?
Any action that involves an attack that targets.
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The shape change question? Can we get that answered...I assume it's under discussion.
Just like Shape Change any other time, if there are no viable targets the action resolves without an attack.
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Any action that involves an attack that targets.
Just like Shape Change any other time, if there are no viable targets the action resolves without an attack.
So the Multi-Attack would end and now second action would be unable to be given?
What if they attack another character without an assimilation token first. That target is hit given one. One other figure possesses one and has Shape Change. That first Ship now has shape change. Tactical Cube targets it again and Shape Change is rolled, it goes for the other one and again Shape Change is rolled...wouldn't the whole action thus be illegal?
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Step 1: Is there a character that can be legally targeted with an Assimilation token?
• Yes: Borg Cube can use Multi-Attack.
• No: Borg Cube can't use Multi-Attack.
Step 2: Activate Multi-Attack
• First Action attack character with Assimilation Token.
• First Action attack character without Assimilation Token.
Step 3: Make Second Action.
• Can Target any character if first action targeted a character with an Assimilation Token.
• Otherwise must target character with Assimilation Token.
If at anypoint you can no longer target a character with an assimilation token, the action ends.
Quote : Originally Posted by Necromagus
When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
Yeah, I mean... if for some reason, through whatever chain of events, you prevent yourself from being able to make the second attack [by virtue of there not being an Assimilation-marked target] then the Multi-Attack second attack can't happen. Which means you made a single attack. Which is what you did.
Especially now that MA is changing to where the first attack's damage isn't reduced, there's literally no difference, right?
Yeah, I mean... if for some reason, through whatever chain of events, you prevent yourself from being able to make the second attack [by virtue of there not being an Assimilation-marked target] then the Multi-Attack second attack can't happen. Which means you made a single attack. Which is what you did.
Especially now that MA is changing to where the first attack's damage isn't reduced, there's literally no difference, right?
Well for Game Effect purposes, you still activated Multi-Attack.
But just like using RCE and then the only target rolls Shape Change, the action ends and you can't give another action in its place.
Quote : Originally Posted by Necromagus
When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
Well for Game Effect purposes, you still activated Multi-Attack.
But just like using RCE and then the only target rolls Shape Change, the action ends and you can't give another action in its place.
That's new....so like...you wouldn't be able to change the Single Target attack if they roll Shape Change? Is this because a figure is given a power action to activate it? Could you elaborate there further cowboy?
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That's new....so like...you wouldn't be able to change the Single Target attack if they roll Shape Change? Is this because a figure is given a power action to activate it? Could you elaborate there further cowboy?
He is saying if you declare rce and your only possible target rolls shape change then the action ends because there are no other legal targets to attack. You already declared you were activating rce so you can't change it to another action.
That's new....so like...you wouldn't be able to change the Single Target attack if they roll Shape Change? Is this because a figure is given a power action to activate it? Could you elaborate there further cowboy?
No no. What MisterId was saying is that if the character was the ONLY viable target, then the action would resolve and no attack would happen. You can still target another character or object/terrain (if applicable) when a character successfully rolls for Shape Change.
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No no. What MisterId was saying is that if the character was the ONLY viable target, then the action would resolve and no attack would happen. You can still target another character or object/terrain (if applicable) when a character successfully rolls for Shape Change.
Oh right right it was based on my "illegal move" question. Seems logical.
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No no. What MisterId was saying is that if the character was the ONLY viable target, then the action would resolve and no attack would happen. You can still target another character or object/terrain (if applicable) when a character successfully rolls for Shape Change.
What causes Multiattack to end mid action? I don't believe any section of the rules ever address the possibility for this? Why wouldn't the Multiattack simply continue despite being an illegal action? You already declared Multiattack, so even if you don't use both free actions, it was still an illegal action, why would it become more legal by saying "only do half of a Multiattack, that is close enough to it being a legal action"? It matters greatly for any figure that affects specifically Multiattack: for example, a figure that said "Characters that activate Multiattack take 1 unavoidable damage at the end of a Multiattack action" would still deal 1 unavoidable to the Cube for taking an illegal action. That's just weird.
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What is this illegal action you are talking about?
If a character with Shape Change and an assimilation token is targeted, the requirement for the Multiattack of the Cube has been met. A successful SC then makes it so that the action that targeted that character resolves without an attack. Nothing illegal happening here.
What is this illegal action you are talking about?
If a character with Shape Change and an assimilation token is targeted, the requirement for the Multiattack of the Cube has been met. A successful SC then makes it so that the action that targeted that character resolves without an attack. Nothing illegal happening here.
Incorrect,
When this character is chosen as the target of an attack, you may roll a d6. On a result of [5] or [6], the attacker can't target this character with an attack this turn and the attacker may choose another target character instead. The attacker then makes the attack unless there are no targets, in which case the action resolves without an attack.
If Shape Change is successful they are not a target.
Quote : Originally Posted by Necromagus
When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
So, why does the creation of a situation in which a 2-action multiattack cannot be completed while including an attack against a figure with an assimilation token cause the action to instead become a 1 action multiattack? Can we just try and take the second action and wait until the end of that to see if they ever attacked a figure with an assimilation token? It seems weird you can activate Multiattack and take the first action, then midway through, decide you can't actually continue the action because you have already begun an illegal action, so you just say "oh well" and make your opponent deal with the fact you just performed an illegal action.
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Quote : Originally Posted by Uberman
When a game hums along, full of action and excitement, it's a barnburner!
When it trudges forward glacially, bogged down by debates over ridiculous rules minutia, it's a Barnstable!
So, why does the creation of a situation in which a 2-action multiattack cannot be completed while including an attack against a figure with an assimilation token cause the action to instead become a 1 action multiattack? Can we just try and take the second action and wait until the end of that to see if they ever attacked a figure with an assimilation token? It seems weird you can activate Multiattack and take the first action, then midway through, decide you can't actually continue the action because you have already begun an illegal action, so you just say "oh well" and make your opponent deal with the fact you just performed an illegal action.
The action say "Must" not "Eh, as long as you tried"
If you do not target a character with an assimilation token with the first action, then the only viable targets for the second action are those with an assimilation token. If they happen to roll Shape Change then there are no viable targets and the action resolves.
Quote : Originally Posted by Necromagus
When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.