http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showth...imagine&page=4

Let me actually link to the thread I keep mentioning. I feel since it is expressly said that EE and BCF are each "a standard attack or damage power that requires a power, close or ranged combat action to activate. Green Lantern can use that power this turn", that EE should definitely trigger AW. I didn't consider what Jon mentioned, but that is a good point about BCF. SE and PS also get weird.

ANYTHING I CAN IMAGINE: Green Lantern can use Barrier. At the beginning of your turn, choose a standard attack or damage power that requires a power, close or ranged combat action to activate. Green Lantern can use that power this turn.

When a character is given an action to activate a power and attacks Amethyst, she can use Shape Change.

Let me start off by saying, I'm probably still wrong, but...

I see a difference in these two triggers.
BCF does require a Close Combat Action to trigger, but you are not giving the action to Activate BCF.
I'm sticking to my guns due to the specific wording of "an action to trigger". If it was "When a character is given an action that activates a power", I would agree that BCF and EE would trigger Shape Change.

[quote]MYSTICAL WARDS: Amethyst ignores the Mystics team ability. When a character is given an action to activate a power and attacks Amethyst, she can use Shape Change.[quote]

Power, close or ranged combat, or free action Mystical Wards seems to imply that if you were to use a power against Amethyst, she gets to roll for Shape Change. Though that is probably too simple.

It is also weird that it uses attacks and not targets as well. And I can't believe I haven't come across this yet, but Mind Control wouldn't trigger her Wards or even regular Shape Change?

I will say, hazard a guess, that powers that can be triggered after a simple attack would not be affected by her Wards.

Oh heck as I'm reading the PAC it only seems that Quake, Ranged and Close Combat expert would trigger her power which makes no sense. So ignor this post as I'm probably low on blood sugar at the moment.

I fully agree with this.

BCF and EE are strange in that the action to attack is identical whether or not you choose to use the additional effect. In the case of BCF, you make the choice to roll for damage after the attack hits. This is a timing issue since the power doesn't activate until after Shape Change would have taken effect. While EE doesn't explicitly say so, it appears that you can choose to apply the extra area of effect after seeing the results of the attack.

It's all or nothing. Either they never trigger the wards or the poor figures that have EE or BCF and make the qualifying attack always trigger the wards regardless of whether they any intention to use the effects.

Mind Control requires a Close or Ranged Combat Action to activate Mind Control, then you make an attack roll, so MW would trigger Shape Change.

I don't like to make blanket statements in this game, but that's probably a good guess.

Charge, Running Shot, Hypersonic Speed, Flurry, Incapacitate, Pule Wave (which then ignores Shape Change), Quake, Ranged Combat Expert, Exploit Weakness, and Close Combat Expert are all standard powers that should activate Mystic Wards.
Off the top of my head, a few Special Powers would be CA Quasar's Phase/Teleport that can grant a Free Action Ranged Attack, and Batroc's Leap/Climb that grants a Free Action Close Attack.

Just check for two things:
Was an action given to activate a power?
Is that action granting that character an attack on Amethyst?
If both are yes, then she gets Shape Change.

I like this...and yes after a bite to eat and a break from angry taxpayers, this makes more sense.

I give Lightning Lad a ranged combat action to attack Amethyst. This action will activate Energy Explosion.
The action is granting an attack
The action activated a power.
Does Amethyst get Shape Change?

It's tough to answer.

I was all for saying yes until you wrote it like this and reminded me of this Ruling...
Which told us that "Charge is NOT an action that includes a Close Combat Attack" it's an "action that includes a close combat action and THAT close combat action includes a Close Combat Attack." Which is bringing me around to Dairoka's thinking.

Moxie-Man is given a Ranged Combat Action to activate a Ranged Combat Attack.
When he is given his Ranged Combat Action, Energy Explosion is activated.
Moxie-Man targets Amethyst with his Ranged Combat Action.

The Ranged Combat Action was given to make a Ranged Combat Attack.
Moxie-Man targeted Amethyst.
Was the Action used to activate a Power? No, it was used to make an attack.
Was Amethyst targeted? Yes.
Only one condition is met, so Shape Change is not activated.

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Moxie-Man is given a Power Action to activate Running Shot.
Moxie-Man moves upto half his speed value.
He is given a Ranged Combat Action and targets Amethyst.

A Power Action was given to activate Running Shot.
Was the Action used to activate a Power? Yes. The Action was used to activate Running Shot.
Was Amethyst targeted? Yes.
Both conditions are met, so Shape Change is activated.


During a Ranged Combat Attack Energy Explosion will be activated, but the Action is not being given to activate EE, it is given to activate a Ranged Combat Attack. The specific wording of Mystic Wards should not trigger the effect when attacked with isolated uses [ie, not imbedded in another action] of Energy Explosion or Blades/Claws/Fangs.
If EE were used as part of Running Shot, or BCF as part of Charge, then Amethyst would be able to roll for Shape Change, but that would be from the use of Running Shot or Charge.

dairoka is correct.

Only powers that are specifically activated by an action (typically anything that states "Give this character a ______ action...") that result in an attack within the same action would activate Amethyst's Trait.

Energy Explosion, Blades/Claws/Fangs, Steal Energy, Precision Strike, etc., would not activate her effect.

Not in and of themselves, but if they're used as part of an action that started with Charge, Running Shot, or HSS then Amethyst's trait will trigger, right?

Example A: Lightning Lad is given a Ranged Combat Action and uses the attack to trigger Energy Explosion and targets Amethyst. She does not get her Mystic Wards.

Example B: Lightning Lad is given a Power Action to use Running Shot, which he then uses to make a ranged attack with Energy Explosion and targets Amethyst. This time she DOES get her Mystic Wards.

Right?

Yes, that would be correct. Her Trait would activate, but it would be due to the use of Running Shot and not Energy Explosion.