Seeing As How He Is Typing On A Computer... I'm Pretty Sure He IS Sitting, And IS Quiet o.o

And OMG.. Do You Really Have A 1 At The End Of Your !'s?

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Anyway. To The Deck.

It Looks Good... But The Light Ratio Seems A Bit Off... Only 4. Two Are Flips, 1 Will Most Likely Be Removed, And 1 Is A Tribute... On Top Of That, You Have 2 Crossouts Which Can Shut Down 1/2 Of Your Lights EASY... I'm Not Sure How To Fix It, And With The Deck 6-0 It Might Not Have To, But It's Possibly A Problem That Needs To Be Addressed.

Lol, theres only been one rate or fix in this whole thread and theres 16 posts. I meen come on people if your not gonna rate his deck don't post, and another thing don't rant at other poeple just becuase they disagree with you, GOSH!

Ok onto the fixes, as people have said it isnt very origanal but lets make it even more unoriganal,

-Big Shield Gardna, i mean come on this card is pretty dumb
+Exiled force, monster removal

And with those fixes i'll give it a 9.5/10

-1 D. D. Survivor(you'll rarely get his effect off, barring running into a DDWL or DDA)
-1 Enemy Controller(Thank you UDE for screwing over my favorite card)
+1 Kycoo(graveyard removal, very important)
+1 Metamorphosis(Morph stuff, get out TER/Balter. Fun ^_^)

9.0/10

I cannot BELIEVE they just killed the game mechanic of battle positions as they've just done. Angers me to no end........

On the side-topic of unoriginality(mostly directed at torrential), find a counter for it. If you're so bent on being original, go make an anti-metagame deck and take it to nationals. Don't preach originality to the world and expect to be taken seriously......

I, myself, can survive without the unoriginal monster line-up you posted, and i rarely(if ever) use vortex. The rest, however, must be in every deck(if not all of them, a good majority of them) to be competitive. How come Delinquent Duo or Premature Burial didn't make your list? They are in 99% of every deck as well.....oh well. Next time you decide to preach, please back up your preaching with factual evidence that what you say can be done, and that you can win witn no pot of greed or graceful charity in your deck. Good day ;)

cacawcacaw the reason that d duo and premature burial didnt make his list is because he uses them. plain and simple. he basically hates to lose against the cards in the list he gave and slapped an unoriginal stigma on them with the idea of getting people to stop using them. What he doesnt realize is that people are not that stupid. go ahead and say that the only reason I won the duel is because I run 11 of those cards. If that really makes you feel better for losing then go ahead and say it. but both you and I know that it takes more than cards to win this game.

oh and I think that you should leave in the big shield gardna because it is very anti meta. it makes them waste a Nobleman of xout

Allright, everyone ignore the comments JinzoTheKing has made. That is my little brother and he can't really type at all so I would just ignore his posts. Onto the deck, I give it a 9.5/10. It doesn't matter if your deck is unoriginal because it's what you want. Do not listen to everyone on this thread that is complaining and whining about how THEY want YOUR deck to look. You built your deck for one of 2 reasons: 1. Competition or 2. To Have Fun. I am assuming that you have built your deck for a little bit of both like most competitive duelists out there that compete in tournaments so I would ignore the comments other people have made. It is true that many duelists hate seeing the exact same decks over and over again but at the same time, how can you expect to win if you are using a completely original deck against the Cookie Cutters in today's metagame? It's not impossible and it's very unlikely at the same time, I would just keep your deck the way you want it to look and disregard other people's comments on originality. I'm currently running a CC Zombie Deck and I am loving every minute of it.

thanks to all who have taken the time to post a r/f for this deck. As for big shield it is simply in there to draw out xouts, and if nothing more be a wall. The Survivors have worked wonders, making those bth's, ddwl and dd assailants ineffective. The light ratio does need a bit of tweeking so i may drop a surivivor for a merchant or silent lvl 5.

I'm not 100% clear on this but from what I understand Bottomless Trap Hole "Destroys" the monster (meaning sending it to the graveyard) and then removes it from play. In this case D.D. Survivor's effect would not activate.

Revised

You guys are right. I had no right to suggest an original deck. I also had no right to back up whoever suggested an orginal deck or trying something aside from Jinzo. And whoever said every idea is done is right. And whoever else said the game is not about fun but about winning is right. Whoever called me a freakshow has drawn the most accurate portrait of me. And whoever said quitting was my business is right. Again, out of my noobness i didnt notice that you were right about BLS. Hes a great card. I retract everything else I said on this thread aside from on this post. On to the deck:

Wow ... this deck is so powerful. Im impressed! Go out there and pwn the world with your deck. They will know whats coming but cant stop it. Congrats on a professionally assembled deck.

10/10

Lol. Hmm. Consider this:

1.) I designed the DMoC OTK deck thats floating around on the net. Dont believe me? Check my post history. Before it became mainstream I made it and was done with it.

2.) OTK Quiz ... mine as well. Check post history. Proven decks that work without BLS and are not at a disadvantage to it since they neatly avoid every of his abilities. He cant trigger one single effect on them.

So Originality is impossible? I again urge you to look through my post history at my deck lists. Most of them tourney worthy and not a rip-off from anywhere. The only thing you can consider was a borrowed idea (with Loki's permission) when me, him, SteelDragon and someone else were working on an OTK. He came up with the idea and when he couldnt find a fluid deck to abuse the idea, he dumped it. I took it and retooled it to what it is.

I made Quiz here before it even became OTK in the Jap metagame. Dont believe? GO research the cold facts.

Ironic how you did bring up the exact proof to prove im not just talking stupidly, but Ive dont my time and I have results to back it up. Ironically again, I am in a Private School. So whats your point exactly now?

I admit Im a big loser. Ive made decks that have flopped so badly due to technicalities and all. The point is: I tried. Im just suggesting you try. Not all ideas are done. Theres plenty left. And also ... I dont believe BLS is a cookie. I believe the DECKTYPE is a cookie. Its just evlolved from time to time but its still the same concept. Stock it with the most powerful tools you can find. Play to your heart's content.

Crimson ... I indeed used to respect you for the longest time ever. I looked up to guys like you, Loki, SteelDragon and Waldo. Today though ... I lost all respect. I cant believe you did that.

1.) Tried to make me look like a fool (minor)
2.) Downplayed the importance of Originality in a CCG (major)

Maybe Im Old Skool. Maybe Im a soft moron like Yugi. Or maybe I have my dignity intact and I wont stoop to the level of creating a decktype because "it always wins". I try originality. I tried, damn it. I tried.

Or maybe, your just an idiot who thinks way too much of himself.

Your not the first person to invent this OTK's. People who don't have internet probably in japan or somewhere here in america probably made them too. Really, your not the first person on earth to think of it. People tend to have alot of the same ideas in mind about alot of things, yugioh is no different.

Originality is impossible. Its an impossible factor. Your not the only one who can do it. Go ahead and make an aqua deck with all the tech in the world, its BEEN DONE.

Thing is, I was in your shoes before. I used to try so many decks. Lets see...

In Traditional when MFC first came out I tried DM. It would win tournaments...until DCR came out, DDWL made Dark Magician decks horrible since bringing out a big monster would be pointless just to get removed.

I had a Fiend Deck back around the LOD-PGD days. Once again, It was very powerful until MFC. Tribe came out and wiped it. DDWL just put the nail in the coffin when I tried to bring it to regionals just to see it go 3-3.

Then, the ban list came. I was one of the first people to top 8 at a regional WITHOUT BLS. I got owned in the top 8...I ran Metamorphosis Control, some people never heard of Metamorphosis till I ran it...now its everywhere in my metagame.

Meta would just never win sadly. It would come close...but never win. Another regional came up...I had a decision to make. My deck without BLS did well...but I was tired of losing. I tried Armed Dragon, Mobius Control, Dark Magician (again) and various other theme decks. They wouldn't get close...I really had to choose now. Do I want to keep using these garbage decks with tons of tech and keep losing or actually win for once?

The morning of that Regional I purchased 3 DDWL and a BLS. I got top 4, could have gotten top 2 if i tried harder in my match. I looked at the top 8 around me. ALL CHAOS. I looked at all the other people who were there with Gravekeeper, Zombies and FTK, all in the top 32 or so...and just realized, originality could never get me to nationals or even win a regional tournament.

Then, the most recent ban list came around. Was things any better? Truthfully, not at all. I built one deck so far thats original but not really at all. Its called...

Chorus

Chorus you ask? Well, its simple. Put Horus and Chaos together...and in the end, its STILL CHAOS. The deck top 4'ed at a card tourney of mine for money. Originality got me 75 dollars...go figure lol. But the thing is, it did not win. Thats just the whole point.

My point? Originality like I said is an IMPOSSIBLE FACTOR. Thing is, my Chorus deck was based on a similar deck used at the UK Nationals. It worked...to some extent.

A successful Yugioh deck is going to have some Chaos in it. Whether it be Zombie Chaos, Chaos Control, Warrior Chaos, or even Chorus...a deck successful is gunna need BLS, if you believe it or not :-/

ok satoshi I dont believe that for a second. bls is not needed. I actually do agree to some extent with torrential. I only agrue with him because who is he to insult some one about their deck choices.

bls is not needed to win. I went to a regionals with a manitcore deck. it didnt run bls there wasnt room or support for it. I placed top 2 in the tourny would have been 1sted had I not made a stupid mistake in the fisrt round. also your chorus deck doesnt work because it is too many themes. try replacing the horus aspect with silent swordsmans. they atleast fit the light part of the deck.

I'm sorry that you've lost respect for because of my opinion. I don't understand really what I've done. I did basically the same thing as torrential, just in a more ORIGINAL fashion...though people did jump on him. Alright, maybe I was a bit harsh and I apologize for that, but to me at this point we're even, considering your cheap-shot referring to how it reflects people's lives. I don't believe originality is really a factor in this game anymore. Just read my profile: Personality, not originality. Someone will have almost always tried that deck idea before you, so claiming it's originality may well be true in the fact that you yourself thought of it, but someone else did think of it before you. What really makes a difference is how the player plays the cards. If you give 2 different people a copy of my Silent Swordsman Deck, they're probably not going to play it the same way. That's the real divide I think. I've sworn never to run Chaos becuase I think that it doesn't have personality in it. There seems to really be only one way to play it: and that's to just smack your opponent with bulky lights and darks, remove them, get out the cheapest card of all time, and win the game. There are so many subtle nuances that are lost in a chaos deck. I use almost every single "cookie cutter" card on that list of Torrentials and Delinquent Duo and Premature as well. The only I don't use is BLS. I'll PM you my deck, and you see if it's "original" because I don't think it is. It could be the biggest cookie cutter on earth, but I don't care, because I built it myself, and I run it in my own fashion. It's not original, but it has my personal touch.That's what makes the game interesting.

I whole heartly agree with this statement. Every deck has it's own personal touch wheter it is cookie or not. NOW let's stop flaming on SOMEONE else's thread.

Teck007 sorry i thought i did post a fix on my original post but oh well.

The guardna is a nice personal touch and i can see what it does so keep running it.

Althought i think you should run a few more lights like kirby suggested. Maybe even try the long forgotten thunder nyan nyan or even ninja grandmaster sasuke.

P.S Look in my sig too see if you need chaos in a regional event ^^.
P.S.S The deck didn't have BLS in it ^^.

WoooooHooooooo, i love listening to the 2 sides of this ongoing argument bicker about who is right, personally i would love to see them bring back emporer for just a few months and see which one of the chaos monsters is considered the cheapest one then, when emporer was not banned no one complained about bls, he was the least of their worries. Remember that.

I guess its different words to mean the same thing. I just dont believe in running a decklist because thats exactly what someone ran and won so-so tournament. Nah. That defeats the essence of the game. I encourage people to strive and find possible decktypes that work without ripping the idea off anyone.

Satoshi Mutou, you said people without internet may have made it or whatever and may not have posted it. Im glad you thought of that and mentioned it. Now tell me exactly how I was supposed to steal the idea. Plus note that I said "the DMoC OTK floating around on the net", not the first one ever in existence. And it quite well might have been the first. I never heard of anyone running a deck like that before and it took some playtesting and mistakes to run the deck that way.

I also implore you look at the Top 8 of that tourney that CED was last ran in. The Nationals. There was some dude who got to the Top 8 without CED or BLS in his deck or sidedeck. As far as I know, he placed higher than you without the so-called Chaos essentials for a tourney.

Only a fool would not admit Chaos is powerful. I know it is, but theres more than one way to skin the cat (pardon the expression). BLS BEAT IS NOT THE ONLY WAY is my point in this. At a point in time, I made an OTK revolving around BLS. It was a bit slower than the DMoC one, but it was more effective. I scrapped it because I knew it people would have a potential OTK BLS sideboard and would have more reasons to run chaos. I never posted the decklist. I hinted at it, but I dumped it when I talked to a few people and they confirmed my fears.

Originality is impossible? I laugh in the face of whoever says that. Even if it were Einstein. NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE. Learn it and learn it well, son. Also note Fiend and meta were not original decks in their time. Too many people had them. Granted there was more variety than the BLS decks we see today, but trust me .. it wasnt that original.

Also: I dont think much of myself. I already called myself a loser who made many decks that flopped. I didnt bring up the fact that I made those decks until you brought it up (well ... the issue). And I dont play on that fact. In fact, I get angry that I havent made anything in a while. Im still running an OTK Fire Princess deck I made so long ago. If you believe Im trying to boast or whatever by saying such, forget it. Its to prove a point and prove it only.