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Originally posted by strider119 i personally think there needs to be a PC in the 4 corners of the country or something close to that ... no PC in the north east is kinda lump. I hate indy, i dont wanna go there. Make it boston or new york or philly.
Gen Con is THE biggest CCG convention on the planet ... I can be reasonably sure that I'm not just making that up.
UDE would not be able to make Gen Con move.
UDE not having a PC at Gen Con would be a HORRIBLE move on their part ... you have one of the largest gatherings of CCG players on the planet ... why would you NOT want to feature one of your premiere events at that venue.
Not to mention, unlike many conventions, it is TAILOR MADE for the type of schedule that UDE uses for their events. Many parts of the Con stay open all day and all night, they are there for 4 days, allowing for a day of PCQs followed by the 3 day PC [and the 2 day 10K available for anyone that didn't make the cut]
Very few conventions offer such a 'perfect' place to hold a PC ... UDE would have to be nuts to not hold it there.
Originally posted by EvilBaby Now I really can't stand this. These poor European guys don't even have a PC on their continent, and you have the testicular fortitude to complain about a particular city. I mean it would litterally only cost you like a quater of the time and money it would take them to attend, and you wanna move it a few hundred miles to the east. How can you be so cruel to our friends from across the pond? I mean i can understand a little complaining if UDE has shafted your whole continent but if they just have it a city your not a big fan of then really you got no room for belly aching.
I couldn't care less about poor European guys. I hate them. If there wasn't such a problem with international banking, I bet there would be a PC in another country. But as I said before I know UDE had ALOT of problems getting people thier money from Amsterdam. It was taxing on the players and it was taxing on the organization from what I hear, so they prolly just said "screw it".
So why not keep it in North America? Thats the majority of the player base anyways and you are then able to circumvent any banking problems since dollars in California convert to dollars in Connecticut pretty easily.
Then to take it a step farther, why not have another PC in NY? Because I am lazy and I don't want to travel far ... plus NY is one of the largest cities in the world. I bet nabbing a flight from europe is pretty easy when your destination is NY.
Originally posted by WalterKovacs Gen Con is THE biggest CCG convention on the planet ... I can be reasonably sure that I'm not just making that up.
UDE would not be able to make Gen Con move.
UDE not having a PC at Gen Con would be a HORRIBLE move on their part ... you have one of the largest gatherings of CCG players on the planet ... why would you NOT want to feature one of your premiere events at that venue.
Not to mention, unlike many conventions, it is TAILOR MADE for the type of schedule that UDE uses for their events. Many parts of the Con stay open all day and all night, they are there for 4 days, allowing for a day of PCQs followed by the 3 day PC [and the 2 day 10K available for anyone that didn't make the cut]
Very few conventions offer such a 'perfect' place to hold a PC ... UDE would have to be nuts to not hold it there.
I wasn't suggesting that Gencon not be the place to hold a PC tourney per se ... I was merely implying that in a 4-corners hypothetical situation, Indy dosen't represent the Northeast.
Also I wanted to get my hatred of that crap exscuse for a city out in the open.
Keep yer Gencon love in your pants there buddy, no one is trying to take it away from you.
...but actually, since you mention it ... there isn't a PC stop at Origins, and that is on close to equal footing with Gencon in terms of nerd gatherings. Who is to say that we REALLY need a PC at GenCon? A 10k works for Origins, why can't it work for Gencon?
If I really cared I might be close to swaying on this.
But I don't and I'm not. I was just meandering across the board and thought I would throw an opinion out there.
So before you jump back down my throat, just realize I'm not gonna read whatever you type so you can probably keep a response to a minimum and garner your desired effect.
Originally posted by EvilBaby Now I really can't stand this. These poor European guys don't even have a PC on their continent, and you have the testicular fortitude to....
post an opinon? strider has serious testicular fortitude I guess, alot more than that mick foley guy.
Also, screw europe, they seem to have fun with their 10k's anyway.
Originally posted by EvilBaby Now I really can't stand this. These poor European guys don't even have a PC on their continent, and you have the testicular fortitude to complain about a particular city. I mean it would litterally only cost you like a quater of the time and money it would take them to attend, and you wanna move it a few hundred miles to the east. How can you be so cruel to our friends from across the pond? I mean i can understand a little complaining if UDE has shafted your whole continent but if they just have it a city your not a big fan of then really you got no room for belly aching.
But seriously, Chicago's been shafted...you know it!!!
lol
Anyway, I think that (personally) the next few PCs after San Fran should be in Europe because, if I'm already gonna have to fly, I would rather go to Amsterdam or some other place in Europe than LA or Atlanta or San Francisco.
Oh ya, and the fact that it's unfair to European players.
Not all American retailers received their stuff at the same time either. My local store was a week or two late and there are some on-line retailers that haven't even received their boxes yet.
From a business perspective. UDE is an American based company and it is always more expensive and takes more time to launch international sales for products. And that's not just for VS that's for anything.
If UDE didn't want Europe's business they would not have expanded in the first place. International business is no cheap venture.
I love how you're #####ing about not having a SECOND PC in New York, really.
Out of curiosity, how often do you have PCQ's within a 5 hour drive of whereever you live in New York?
Cause we've had 2 since the game began from Topeka, KS.
It was last year or maybe the year before that Kansas City held the Magic World Series Event (I have no idea what it's called). You know why? Because there are a lot of people in the Midwest with nothing better to do than play card games. Currently, they're all playing Magic. You know why? Because we don't have any tournament support from UDE.
I understand that you have your personal opinion that Europe should go #### itself and how New York is being "neglected" with its only one PC and another PC that's not too far away (12 hours is definitely driveable for something as big as a PC and a convention as big as GenCon). And my personal opinion is that you're taking for granted what's put in front of you, claiming that what you really need is more than what you already have as opposed to letting other people even have a fraction of what you get.
But all these demands for more continental events are really getting off-topic. What we're SUPPOSED to be #####ing about here is how much UDE screws Europe on a daily basis, like some sort of filthy misstress.
Ok, so I was a little annoyed, but after reflection I think - meh. What does rile me is the attitude of arrogant pricks who think that unless it's in the US, it doesn't matter.
Not to fret though, a solution is at hand. This was going around a few months ago, but it seems like it will solve all our problems over here:
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Memo:
To the citizens of the United States of America :-
In the light of your failure to elect a proper President of the USA and
thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your
independence, effective today. Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume
monarchial duties over all states, commonwealths and other territories.
Except Utah, which she does not fancy.
Your new prime minister (The Right Honourable Tony Blair, MP for the 97.85% of you who have until now been unaware that there is a world outside your borders) will appoint a minister for America
without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be disbanded.
A questionnaire will be circulated next year to determine whether any of
you noticed. To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, the
following rules are introduced with immediate effect:
1. You should look up "revocation" in the Oxford English Dictionary.
Then look up "aluminium". Check the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed at
just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it. The letter 'U' will be reinstated
in words such as 'favour' and 'neighbour', skipping the letter 'U' is nothing
more than laziness on your part. Likewise, you will learn to spell 'doughnut'
without skipping half the letters. You will end your love affair with the letter
'Z' (pronounced 'zed' not 'zee') and the suffix "ize" will be replaced by
the suffix "ise". You will learn that the suffix 'burgh is pronounced 'burra' e.g.
Edinburgh. You are welcome to respell Pittsburgh as 'Pittsberg' if you
can't cope with correct pronunciation. Generally, you should raise your
vocabulary to acceptable levels. Look up "vocabulary". Using the same twenty seven
words interspersed with filler noises such as "like" and "you know" is an
unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. Look up "interspersed". There
will be no more 'bleeps' in the Jerry Springer show. If you're not old enough to
cope with bad language then you shouldn't have chat shows. When you learn to
develop your vocabulary then you won't have to use bad language as often.
2. There is no such thing as "US English". We will let Microsoft know on
your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take account of
the reinstated letter 'u' and the elimination of "-ize".
3. You should learn to distinguish the English and Australian accents.
It really isn't that hard. English accents are not limited to Cockney,
upper-class twit or Mancunian (Daphne in Frasier). You will also have to learn how to
understand regional accents - Scottish dramas such as "Taggart" will no longer be
broadcast with subtitles. While we're talking about regions, you must learn that
there is no such place as Devonshire in England. The name of the county is
"Devon". If you persist in calling it Devonshire, all American States will become
"shires" e.g. Texasshire, Floridashire, Louisianashire.
4. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as the
good guys. Hollywood will be required to cast English actors to play English
characters. British sit-coms such as "Men Behaving Badly" or "Red Dwarf"
will not be re-cast and watered down for a wishy-washy American audience who
can't cope with the humour of occasional political incorrectness.
5. You should relearn your original national anthem, "God Save The
Queen", but only after fully carrying out task 1. We would not want you to get
confused and give up half way through.
6. You should stop playing American "football". There is only one kind
of football. What you refer to as American "football" is not a very good
game. The 2.15% of you who are aware that there is a world outside your borders
may have noticed that no one else plays "American" football. You will no longer
be allowed to play it, and should instead play proper football. Initially,
it would be best if you played with the girls. It is a difficult game. Those of
you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which is similar
to American "football", but does not involve stopping for a rest every
twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like nancies). We are hoping
to get together at least a US rugby sevens side by 2005. You should stop
playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the 'World
Series' for a game which is not played outside of America. Since only 2.15% of you are
aware that there is a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable.
Instead of baseball, you will be allowed to play a girls' game called
"rounders" which is baseball without fancy team strip, oversized gloves, collector cards
or hotdogs.
7. You should declare war on Quebec and France, using nuclear weapons if
they give you any merde. The 97.85% of you who were not aware that there is a
world outside your borders should count yourselves lucky. The Russians have
never been the bad guys. "Merde" is French for "5hit". You will no longer be
allowed to own or carry guns. You will no longer be allowed to own or carry
anything more dangerous in public than a vegetable peeler. Because we don't believe
you are sensible enough to handle potentially dangerous items, you will require
a permit if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.
8. July 4th is no longer a public holiday. November 2nd will be a new
national holiday, but only in England. It will be called "Indecisive Day".
9. All American cars are hereby banned. They are cr*p and it is for your
own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what we mean.
All road intersections will be replaced with roundabouts. You will start driving
on the left with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with
immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Roundabouts and
metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.
10. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French
fries are not real chips. Fries aren't even French, they are Belgian though 97.85%
of you (including the guy who discovered fries while in Europe) are not aware
of a country called Belgium. Those things you insist on calling potato chips
are properly called "crisps". Real chips are thick cut and fried in animal
fat. The traditional accompaniment to chips is beer which should be served warm
and flat. Waitresses will be trained to be more aggressive with customers.
11. As a sign of penance 5 grams of sea salt per cup will be added to
all tea made within the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, this quantity to be
doubled for tea made within the city of Boston itself.
12. The cold tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually
beer at all, it is lager. From November 1st only proper British Bitter will be
referred to as "beer", and European brews of known and accepted provenance will
be referred to as "Lager".
The substances formerly known as "American Beer" will henceforth be
referred to as "Near-Frozen Knat's Urine", with the exception of the product of the
American Budweiser company whose product will be referred to as "Weak
Near-Frozen Knat's Urine". This will allow true Budweiser (as manufactured for the last
1000 years in Pilsen, Czech Republic) to be sold without risk of confusion.
13. From December 1st the UK will harmonise petrol (or "Gasoline" as you
will be permitted to keep calling it until April 1st 2006) prices with the
former USA. The UK will harmonise its prices to those of the former USA and the
Former USA will, in return, adopt UK petrol prices (roughly $6/US gallon - get used
to it).
14. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns,
lawyers or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows
that you're not adult enough to be independent. Guns should only be handled
by adults. If you're not adult enough to sort things out without suing
someone or speaking to a therapist then you're not grown up enough to handle a gun.
15. Please tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us crazy.
Tax collectors from Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to
ensure the acquisition of all revenues due (backdated to 1776).
Thank you for your cooperation
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Originally posted by kamiza Ok, so I was a little annoyed, but after reflection I think - meh. What does rile me is the attitude of arrogant pricks who think that unless it's in the US, it doesn't matter.
Not to fret though, a solution is at hand. This was going around a few months ago, but it seems like it will solve all our problems over here:
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Memo:
To the citizens of the United States of America :-
In the light of your failure to elect a proper President of the USA and
thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your
independence, effective today. Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume
monarchial duties over all states, commonwealths and other territories.
Except Utah, which she does not fancy.
Your new prime minister (The Right Honourable Tony Blair, MP for the 97.85% of you who have until now been unaware that there is a world outside your borders) will appoint a minister for America
without the need for further elections. Congress and the Senate will be disbanded.
A questionnaire will be circulated next year to determine whether any of
you noticed. To aid in the transition to a British Crown Dependency, the
following rules are introduced with immediate effect:
1. You should look up "revocation" in the Oxford English Dictionary.
Then look up "aluminium". Check the pronunciation guide. You will be amazed at
just how wrongly you have been pronouncing it. The letter 'U' will be reinstated
in words such as 'favour' and 'neighbour', skipping the letter 'U' is nothing
more than laziness on your part. Likewise, you will learn to spell 'doughnut'
without skipping half the letters. You will end your love affair with the letter
'Z' (pronounced 'zed' not 'zee') and the suffix "ize" will be replaced by
the suffix "ise". You will learn that the suffix 'burgh is pronounced 'burra' e.g.
Edinburgh. You are welcome to respell Pittsburgh as 'Pittsberg' if you
can't cope with correct pronunciation. Generally, you should raise your
vocabulary to acceptable levels. Look up "vocabulary". Using the same twenty seven
words interspersed with filler noises such as "like" and "you know" is an
unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. Look up "interspersed". There
will be no more 'bleeps' in the Jerry Springer show. If you're not old enough to
cope with bad language then you shouldn't have chat shows. When you learn to
develop your vocabulary then you won't have to use bad language as often.
2. There is no such thing as "US English". We will let Microsoft know on
your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take account of
the reinstated letter 'u' and the elimination of "-ize".
3. You should learn to distinguish the English and Australian accents.
It really isn't that hard. English accents are not limited to Cockney,
upper-class twit or Mancunian (Daphne in Frasier). You will also have to learn how to
understand regional accents - Scottish dramas such as "Taggart" will no longer be
broadcast with subtitles. While we're talking about regions, you must learn that
there is no such place as Devonshire in England. The name of the county is
"Devon". If you persist in calling it Devonshire, all American States will become
"shires" e.g. Texasshire, Floridashire, Louisianashire.
4. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as the
good guys. Hollywood will be required to cast English actors to play English
characters. British sit-coms such as "Men Behaving Badly" or "Red Dwarf"
will not be re-cast and watered down for a wishy-washy American audience who
can't cope with the humour of occasional political incorrectness.
5. You should relearn your original national anthem, "God Save The
Queen", but only after fully carrying out task 1. We would not want you to get
confused and give up half way through.
6. You should stop playing American "football". There is only one kind
of football. What you refer to as American "football" is not a very good
game. The 2.15% of you who are aware that there is a world outside your borders
may have noticed that no one else plays "American" football. You will no longer
be allowed to play it, and should instead play proper football. Initially,
it would be best if you played with the girls. It is a difficult game. Those of
you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which is similar
to American "football", but does not involve stopping for a rest every
twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like nancies). We are hoping
to get together at least a US rugby sevens side by 2005. You should stop
playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the 'World
Series' for a game which is not played outside of America. Since only 2.15% of you are
aware that there is a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable.
Instead of baseball, you will be allowed to play a girls' game called
"rounders" which is baseball without fancy team strip, oversized gloves, collector cards
or hotdogs.
7. You should declare war on Quebec and France, using nuclear weapons if
they give you any merde. The 97.85% of you who were not aware that there is a
world outside your borders should count yourselves lucky. The Russians have
never been the bad guys. "Merde" is French for "5hit". You will no longer be
allowed to own or carry guns. You will no longer be allowed to own or carry
anything more dangerous in public than a vegetable peeler. Because we don't believe
you are sensible enough to handle potentially dangerous items, you will require
a permit if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.
8. July 4th is no longer a public holiday. November 2nd will be a new
national holiday, but only in England. It will be called "Indecisive Day".
9. All American cars are hereby banned. They are cr*p and it is for your
own good. When we show you German cars, you will understand what we mean.
All road intersections will be replaced with roundabouts. You will start driving
on the left with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with
immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Roundabouts and
metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.
10. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French
fries are not real chips. Fries aren't even French, they are Belgian though 97.85%
of you (including the guy who discovered fries while in Europe) are not aware
of a country called Belgium. Those things you insist on calling potato chips
are properly called "crisps". Real chips are thick cut and fried in animal
fat. The traditional accompaniment to chips is beer which should be served warm
and flat. Waitresses will be trained to be more aggressive with customers.
11. As a sign of penance 5 grams of sea salt per cup will be added to
all tea made within the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, this quantity to be
doubled for tea made within the city of Boston itself.
12. The cold tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually
beer at all, it is lager. From November 1st only proper British Bitter will be
referred to as "beer", and European brews of known and accepted provenance will
be referred to as "Lager".
The substances formerly known as "American Beer" will henceforth be
referred to as "Near-Frozen Knat's Urine", with the exception of the product of the
American Budweiser company whose product will be referred to as "Weak
Near-Frozen Knat's Urine". This will allow true Budweiser (as manufactured for the last
1000 years in Pilsen, Czech Republic) to be sold without risk of confusion.
13. From December 1st the UK will harmonise petrol (or "Gasoline" as you
will be permitted to keep calling it until April 1st 2006) prices with the
former USA. The UK will harmonise its prices to those of the former USA and the
Former USA will, in return, adopt UK petrol prices (roughly $6/US gallon - get used
to it).
14. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns,
lawyers or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows
that you're not adult enough to be independent. Guns should only be handled
by adults. If you're not adult enough to sort things out without suing
someone or speaking to a therapist then you're not grown up enough to handle a gun.
15. Please tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us crazy.
Tax collectors from Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to
ensure the acquisition of all revenues due (backdated to 1776).
Thank you for your cooperation
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