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Originally posted by DarkestMage Does ANYONE read FAQS?
DIRECT from the FAQ
"Adam Strange, Champion of Rann
Character, 2, JLA / Rann, 3 ATK / 2 DEF
Reservist
Reveal Adam Strange >>> KO target character with cost 1. If you do, and Adam Strange is in your resource row, KO him and you may put a card from your hand face down into your resource row. Use this power only while Adam Strange is in your resource row and only during the recovery phase.
The payment power above updates the printed card text. You may put a card into your resource row only if you successfully KO both the target and Adam Strange. "
THIS DISCUSSION IS OVER.
That's not the problem. You can still reveal him multiple times and KO multiple 1-drops.
Originally posted by DarkestMage THIS DISCUSSION IS OVER.
I don't think it is. You appear to have copied and pasted the FAQ entry just as the original post in the thread did, however neither you nor the FAQ have addressed what seems to me to be the problem.
If I am not mistaken the thing people are worried about is the fact that it looks like you can chain as many reveals as you like to KO all the opponents 1 drops. Only the one that resolves first will replace Adam Strange but you don't care as with one card you can wipe a weenie swarm off the board.
This is not an issue if you can't re-reveal him while one effect is on the chain but there is disagreement on that.
The first post in this thread already quoted that FAQ entry. Ks-ap is saying that the new text stops you from getting extra resources with Adam Strange by using him a number of times on various 1-drops, but it doesn't stop you just from KOing an opponent's 1-drops for the sake of KOing them.
Starcoatess quote from 505.1a doesn't seem to be the answer---since Adam Strange is the source of his own effect, the rules tell us that he remains revealed while the effect is played, but that's not long enough to make any difference for further uses of the effect.
As things stand just now, there doesn't seem to be anything stopping you from using Adam Strange to clear a board of 1-drops during the recovery phase. I'm assuming he's meant to work this way, as otherwise the check of whether or not he was in your resource row could have been inserted into the effect's first sentence.
He's already got a wording pretty similar to Terra's, actually, techno---KO target 1-drop, and if you do, everything else happens. But, sure, it would be possible to reverse his wording which event was automatic and which occurred "if you do," if he's only supposed to KO a 1-drop after successfully KOing itself. It all depends on how he's intended to work.
He does function within the rules, so we shouldn't assume that he works against the intent. But if has gotten a bit afield, there certainly seem to be ways to adjust his text. We'll have to wait and see.
Yeah, the part after the "if you do" should be the part you're playing the effect for, if that makes any sense - replacing Adam Strange/a location being the event that should have to happen.
I agree that it's easy to fix and you'd think they would have noticed it but it just seems far too powerful. The card is pretty good KOing a single 1-drop never mind every single one. Imagine the potential with Slaughter Swamp.
Originally posted by Sparrowhawk If he works as the common consensus and rules guru believe he does and he was intended to work this way then this is huge.
There's honestly no reason to believe otherwise.
He's already been semi-erratta'd once in the FAQ. I think they would have caught this then, too, if they had a problem with it.
He nukes 1 Drops. Oh well. Looks like everybody is going to have to think outside the box for the next month or so until they can netdeck something else. :)
Originally posted by techno If this is the case then he is the NTZ of Infinite Crisis. I can't see him hovering around dollar rare value for long.
Well personally, I'm not going to go out of my way to find him.
The threat of something like this in the Meta is usually more powerful than his actual existance in any given deck. He's a more a Meta-wide deterant than a specific answer. Although he does that very well, too. ;)
Man, I can't believe you guys are trying to continue this discussion after THE Michael Jacob said it was over. You are cruisin' for a bruisin'. The mods should totally just close this thread.
Originally posted by HeroComplex As things stand just now, there doesn't seem to be anything stopping you from using Adam Strange to clear a board of 1-drops during the recovery phase. I'm assuming he's meant to work this way, as otherwise the check of whether or not he was in your resource row could have been inserted into the effect's first sentence.
Exactly what I was thinking during my post. I don't see any reason why he wasn't intended to do this, since it's not a complexity issue.
lol, the card obviously olny works once per copy, and if you've thought that long on it and still think he's a 1 card for 10 trade, go play a couple games of vs against most decks, run mikado and mosha and see how good she is, and think " ya they definatly just re printed this but infinite numbers of her in 1 card " if you STILL honestly think you can use it inf times, go do somthing constructed with youre lives rather than find rules #5784.8 and come back in a few days im sure someone from ude will clear t up for you.