I guess that comes down to what you see as outside the game. TAK-clause, to me, is some thing built outside this game based on how someone has or hasn't played in the past in other games. So it's basically meta-gamming but more powerful in that it's "always" correct. When it comes down to it, should some one automatically believe your telling the truth in this game (if you used it in this game) because you bring up a clause about someone else (and you by association of using it in other past games) told the truth previously? My opinion's no but every one's entitled to their own.

I figure for those who think it's "Easy", try it for awhile. You don't even have to go the four years I've worked at to build it up. Just go for, say, six months using it to the tee - and remembering to keep that balance in there - and, hopefully, get a lot of hellacious Night phases too.

Then tell me how easy it is. It's like saying someone is "cheating" at a fighting game because they've practiced how to pull off 100% combos or something.

(And we just call it TAK-clause because it became the slang, H&C. We could just as easily call it something else named after a currently active player. Heck, I've probably got more history with it now than TAK.)

Or to use a "Game of Thrones" comparison: A Lannister Always Pays His Debts. Sure, they can use it to entice people by saying, "You know you'll get a ton of gold because I will repay my debt to you." but a Lannister has to make sure to do so or the motto becomes useless. Furthermore they also have to "pay the debt" on any slight to them - failure to do so, again, makes it an empty threat.

That's a lot of work just to keep one phrase intact for the occassional benefit.

I honestly don't think that Rokk would've even brought up the TAK clause, if he didn't have something to hide. This conversation has clearly derailed the game, and that only benefits Rokk if he wanted to avoid a lynch today. I'm still thinking that either he's onslaught, or Mags and chuck were cult leaders, much like in The Guild. Either way, without a powerclaim, I don't think it's wise to leave Mags on the board, especially with how hard the game is being derailed.

change vote Rokk

You don't think it wise to leave Magneto on the board when the write-up suggests the Horsemen are a more likely Mafia?

Heck, based on the fact I'm Magneto, DF should've yanked his vote if he's really Brotherhood as he'd know the Brotherhood aren't Mafia. (My vote has remained on him in part because of this).

In a fighting game, I see it as more of an unblockable move. It's not cheating because it is a part of the game but still kind of frowned up as a cheap thing to do. I do admire the way you play to keep that clause available but it's just the mentioning of it in game I don't care much for. Challenge accepted though, from this day till 1-year from now I will not lie about my character in any mafia game. Furthermore after this post I won't acknowledge that I am doing that or even make mention of it in any in-play game thread.

To truly try it, I probably need to sign up for more games though.

(And, to be blunt zyx, I threatened the use of the TAK but I'm not the one who kept bringing it up as something to critique or slame me with...it's others who managed to turn that into a conversation.)

psnmario was Xavier
I'm Magneto
We were mason partners but psnmario lacked the courtesy to fulfill his responsibilities.
Xavier was the Cop.
JoH's result was "Probaby Town"
I was blocked (which is a real nuisance as I've got a nexus for my main power).

And why on Earth would I have brought -any- of that up, knowing it would invite scrutiny, other than there were results to investigate share.

What has -really- been distracted from is the Misdirector should have a Lead on a Killer.

The Horsemen are quite likely a mafia, but that's still not enough mafia for one game, unless they got a larger roster or something.

What else could be mafia? Brotherhood, Reavers, the Humans, Nextwave? Lots of possibilities for other enemies, and until someone actually claims a Brotherhood role and comes up town, I have my doubts.

Probably town? That's actually what it said? Or did you get a character?

Anyways... remove vote for now. Ugh. A lot of ins and outs here.

yeah the game seems like its majorly getting derailed...

Where?

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The result was "Probably Town" (the discussion about it was approx. 1 page back).

DF is saying he's a member of the Brotherhood.

Frankly, anti-mutant forces make the most sense for a secondary Mafia.

Potential Horsemen Mafia just from the GSX set: Apocalypse, Pestilence (Plague), Famine (Autumn), War (Abraham), Death (Archangel), Death (Wolverine), War (Hulk), Pestilence/Death (Caliban), Nemesis...even if you remove Archangel and Logan - and I'd be cautious to do so as Warren is the archetypical Horseman for that role - that still leaves a not insignificant amount of possibilities.

It actually leaves me wary of those who keep saying the Horsemen couldn't field a viable main Mafia on their own.

I was going off of the appearance of Plague in Cyclops' death but had, admittedly, until now missed she ran away in horror.

Which does imply that she's not full Pestilence yet so Apoc might have to recruit his Horsemen.

All this confusion...the Mafia is probably having a field day with this.

Re-reading the opening write-up, could that be Sabretooth talking to Sinister? If it is actually person from this set, Gambit and him are the only two I can think of that would have worked for him.