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Not QUITE true. Y chromosome. Girls don't have it. It's true that all boys start out their development as girls, and it's possible to stunt that transition and keep them as girls, males have all the data in them needed to create females (which is why Saber Marionette J made little sense), but without the Y chromosome a girl cannot become a boy. Genetically speaking, Mystique can easilly make herself look exactly like a man, but to change her own DNA to the point that she is genetically a man, and can pass on her own genetic material as a man, I think that's probably beyond her abilities (maybe not, but it's really precise and advanced stuff).
Of course, the twisted plotline would be that she WAS born as a man, and does have XY chromosomes, but was a transexual from an early age, and used her powers to make herself indistinguishable as such. Of course, that's harder at this point, since carrying a baby to term in a "fake" shape-shifted uterus is a bit unlikely.
Remember, there are are least FOUR likely "wanda-lings" running around the Marvel U right now, the twins, Layla Miller in X-Factor, and Proteus in Exiles (since the real one is dead, this one exists only because he was brought back in HoM and left 616 before HoM reverted). She's clearly able to "make" people, she made thousands of them in HoM (Half the cast of New Mutants during HoM was dead characters), so the twins aren't even half a stretch
And since this is a comic book, they can make her powers as precise and advanced as they want. But since they never went though with what they planned its all moot now.
Im not sure why Proteus is connected to our Scarlet Witch? If hes not from 616 then hes nothing to her. They have alot of the alternate relatives to her that dont count. Layal Miller has a family and it hasnt been said shes adopted so why would she be connected to the Witch? The marvel U is was too incesteous as it is, but at least they arent tied into the SUmmer Clan.
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One is a silver-haired speedster, with molecular control powers, a la Vision. One is a magic-wielder. They're twins. One's name is William, the other Thomas. Seems like a pretty solid theory to me. What say you?
Perish the thought but, wouldn't that mean that Quicksilver is the father of the twins?
First, I dunno about that twins thing, twins are just a genetic abnormality. I don't think a twin has any less ofa chance of having an egg split then a non-twin. And do know that Wiccan and this new guy are the same age? They could be brothers that just look a lot a like, I don't think Wanda's children were twins anyway (could be wrong). And Wanda doesn't "pluck" people or send people to alternate realities. You've posted that Hawkeye thing before and its bull####, Hawkeye DIED, Wanda changed reality and brought him back to live in HoM, he was not "sent" to the HoM universe, there is no HoM universe, it was the 616 universe. Just because you don't seem to be able to crasp the concept of reality alterning doesn't mean she "plucks people" from other realities.
Someone didn't have their geritol before reading this?
The Twin's thing is, twin's are not known to be able to have twins (tho, she can alter reality, so maybe Wanda could)
Wanda DID have twins. They had two of the five shards of Master P's soul in them, thanks to Mephisto.
Hawkeye's body was never found. I'm not the only one who has pointed out this, about the body.
The HoM universe, is not it's own universe, that, I already know.. it is, however, and altered version of 616 in the sense that she changed/altered things in the 616 universe. It's just an alteration to a pre-existing universe. She could will things to change, use to be just with odds.. like the odds of someone falling thru the floorboards, she's alter the odds, and the person would fall thru. Hawkeye getting blown up was just that. Doesn't mean she actually killed him. Again, no body. AND, keep in mind, Quicksilver was behind HoM, and he, thinking Hawkeye was dead, would've had Wanda make the guy come back from the dead.
Now, just because you can't grasp the simple concept of being able to reach across the varied alternate universes to change the odds of things in such a way as to make it seem like plucking, doesn't mean she doesn't do just that.
Im not sure why Proteus is connected to our Scarlet Witch? If hes not from 616 then hes nothing to her.
The Proteus in Exiles is from 616 Earth. Basically they came to 616 Earth during HoM. Because of HoM, Proteus, the real one having died on 616 Earth, was "still alive", which basically means he was a Wanda construct. He left 616 Earth before the end of Hom, and thus escaped Wanda changing everything back, and is now touring the multiverse. Therefore he's one of the few remaining known Wanda-constructs.
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Layal Miller has a family and it hasnt been said shes adopted so why would she be connected to the Witch?
Wanda created thousands of people during HoM, including Spider-Man's kid, Uncle Ben, Magik, Doug Ramsey, two of the Cuckoos, and plenty of others. She could make Layla, and Layla's parrents (or convince two people into believing they were her parents) without breaking a sweat. Also, where are her parents in X-Factor? She seems to not have anyone in true 616 Earth.
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The Twin's thing is, twin's are not known to be able to have twins (tho, she can alter reality, so maybe Wanda could)
Wanda DID have twins.
Wanda and Pietro are fraternal twins, not identical twins. I don't believe there's any scientific evidence to preclude the possibility of a fraternal twin having twins herself.
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Hawkeye's body was never found. I'm not the only one who has pointed out this, about the body.
It was blown up. It rained down on them in the form of ash. Case closed.
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The HoM universe, is not it's own universe, that, I already know.. it is, however, and altered version of 616 in the sense that she changed/altered things in the 616 universe. It's just an alteration to a pre-existing universe. She could will things to change, use to be just with odds.. like the odds of someone falling thru the floorboards, she's alter the odds, and the person would fall thru. Hawkeye getting blown up was just that. Doesn't mean she actually killed him. Again, no body. AND, keep in mind, Quicksilver was behind HoM, and he, thinking Hawkeye was dead, would've had Wanda make the guy come back from the dead.
I don't see why this would be the case. She brought back plenty of truly dead people, I don't see why Hawkeye would be any different than any of these other truly dead people.
It was blown up. It rained down on them in the form of ash. Case closed.
Didn't see the ashes raining down, and the explosion looked more like a pressurized blow out, which would've pushed him, or his remains, away from teh blast. There should've been something left, if not a whole, albeit burnt, body.
Didn't see the ashes raining down, and the explosion looked more like a pressurized blow out, which would've pushed him, or his remains, away from teh blast. There should've been something left, if not a whole, albeit burnt, body.
In a comic? I doubt that, but cling to your delisions if they comfort you. Personally, I think the safer alternative is to assume that the most likely explaination is the true one, that he's currently dead (or at least the original one is, there's some evidence that the HoM construct might still be around), but that it IS a comic, so even if he's dead today it doesn't mean that he won't be ressurected by some passing mad space cop or through the furious punching of a teenager drunk on his own power.
[QUOTEi]The Proteus in Exiles is from 616 Earth. Basically they came to 616 Earth during HoM. Because of HoM, Proteus, the real one having died on 616 Earth, was "still alive", which basically means he was a Wanda construct. He left 616 Earth before the end of Hom, and thus escaped Wanda changing everything back, and is now touring the multiverse. Therefore he's one of the few remaining known Wanda-constructs.
Wanda created thousands of people during HoM, including Spider-Man's kid, Uncle Ben, Magik, Doug Ramsey, two of the Cuckoos, and plenty of others. She could make Layla, and Layla's parrents (or convince two people into believing they were her parents) without breaking a sweat. Also, where are her parents in X-Factor? She seems to not have anyone in true 616 Earth.
I don't see why this would be the case. She brought back plenty of truly dead people, I don't see why Hawkeye would be any different than any of these other truly dead people.[/quote]
Okay, that also brings up another question. Wanda has relity manipulating powers. So did she recreate reality, alter what we know, or just tap into an alternate reality? If she recreated everything then I dont see why everything would revert back to normal. If its recreated then it just takes the place of what was. There is no other reality to go back to. Like they were discussing during the House of M: why go back to the way it was. It was a new reality and most people had it better off. Whos is to say the other reality was better.
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if it was just an altered reality, then Proteus couldnt escape the HOM. Reality was just altered. Hed still be dead when everthing came back. Same with Hawkeye. But if everythig was recreated then of course none of them would have died in the first place. But if everything was recreated then even Layla shoudlnt have had memories of the first time around because it didnt happen. The new reality had been over laid and stuff was rewritten. Now with an altered reality all of that stuff could have taken place, but the dead should have stayed dead. Or orlse they are now anomalies and will eventually have to be dealt with.
Because , even with Wanda trying to fix things, she cant resurect people. So, If Hawkeye or Proteus are back and they arent her constructs, then they have to be from an alternent reality. I dont think it was a divergent reality either. There was too much tweaking going on in years past to make it truely divergent. Still pretty confusing, but I have to go with Wanda just altered what was there and that was how they wre able to put things "right". Dr Stragne encountered this before too. Duriing the Kula Garth saga in X Men. It was a localized spell, but it was basically the same thing. That being adressed:
Proteus isnt from Earth 616. The mutant Gene shoudlnt have been wiped out becasue that would entail Wanda's powers rewriting reality. I think that they can bring back mutancy when this plotline gets boring by just saying that the After HOM thing was one more example of the Scarlet Witch's manipulations. Finally returning the world to normal (pre manipulation) would bring back mutants, get rid of Hawkeye and Proteus and maybe even sovle the "tons" of mutants being born in recent years by saying Wanda was slowly trying to create a HOM world by influencing reality into having more mutants born. That would explain the mutates becoming so prolific and the mutants with actual powers seemingly not being as numerous.
Layla Miller had parents, but it seems like they died or soemthing. She was complaiing about having to lose her parents twice. Once that I dont know about, but happened pre HOM andthen they were ressurected in HOM and so then she lost them again when the HoM ended and she came back to reality. I dont think Wanda would really create laya conciously. I think Laylas powers just made her immune to the manipulations.
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The Twin's thing is, twin's are not known to be able to have twins (tho, she can alter reality, so maybe Wanda could)
This is the first and only place I've heard that Twinsc an't have twins, so I dunno, it just doesn't seem to make biolgical sense. And if Wanda had twins, fine, I wasn't 100% sure anyway.
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Hawkeye's body was never found. I'm not the only one who has pointed out this, about the body.
So what, HoM did not have its own universe, it was an altered 616, Hawkeye did "go" to the HoM universe when he died, he DIED and was brought back by Wanda.
Theres only one Return, and it ain't of the King, its of the Jedi.
Okay, that also brings up another question. Wanda has relity manipulating powers. So did she recreate reality, alter what we know, or just tap into an alternate reality?
If Exiles is to be believed, she created HoM from 616 Earth, no alternate Earth stuff. In Exiles, they attempted to go to 616 Earth, ended up in HoM, and then left right before everything was swapped back in. There's no evidence that any of that was pulled from a different Earth on the spiral.
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If she recreated everything then I dont see why everything would revert back to normal. If its recreated then it just takes the place of what was.
She reverted it. Manually. That doesn't mean EVERYTHING had to revert, necessarilly, which is why there are still many anomalies running around, but most of the things she brought into the world, she took out, and then some.
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if it was just an altered reality, then Proteus couldnt escape the HOM. Reality was just altered. Hed still be dead when everthing came back.
He wasn't on 616 Earht at the time. She manually rebooted everything and he wsn't on the server when it happened so he didn't get rebooted.
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Same with Hawkeye.
Probably, but it's also possible that part of her felt guilty about his death, and or wanted him back, and therefore didn't revert him along with everything else. She seemed to have a considerable amount of control over the changes she made to the world (if not rational control).
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So, If Hawkeye or Proteus are back and they arent her constructs, then they have to be from an alternent reality. I dont think it was a divergent reality either.
They are constructs, but unlike a GL, she can make REALLY good constructs, seemingly more or less permanent ones, without her having to be involved with them after their creation. You could probably kill her and the constructs still wouldn't revert.
They are constructs, but unlike a GL, she can make REALLY good constructs, seemingly more or less permanent ones, without her having to be involved with them after their creation. You could probably kill her and the constructs still wouldn't revert.
I don't think they really are constructs. It's just altered probability. In one sense, or another. She alter's the odds. This is where I have problems with her killing hawkeye then bringing him back.
So what, HoM did not have its own universe, it was an altered 616, Hawkeye did "go" to the HoM universe when he died, he DIED and was brought back by Wanda.
This is like AoA. It was an altered version of 616 one day, later, it was shown as a different universe.
Alternate version of the same charecter brought to the 616 universe. Wanda's power's alter probabilities, so her "making" Hawkeye doesn't hold true. How could she make one, and complate, when she doesn't know "every" thing about him? It's an alteration of reality. A change of probabilities. Odds changed. Nuff said.
In a comic? I doubt that, but cling to your delisions if they comfort you. Personally, I think the safer alternative is to assume that the most likely explaination is the true one, that he's currently dead (or at least the original one is, there's some evidence that the HoM construct might still be around), but that it IS a comic, so even if he's dead today it doesn't mean that he won't be ressurected by some passing mad space cop or through the furious punching of a teenager drunk on his own power.
Now now, they're not delusions, we've all seen how these stories take weird, improbable twists at times. Different writters, altering/retconning things. Nothing is impossible. IT wouldn't surprise me if some writter in teh future tells the tale of how Reed and Sue's wedding license was never validated, so they have been living in sin, and so Sue moves out on him. Reed goes and finds some hot young thing to fool around with, who turns out to be a Shi Ar death squad leader on the run, or some such nonesense, while Sue fools around with Wolverine or something. IT COULD happen. Scary, ain't it?
This is like AoA. It was an altered version of 616 one day, later, it was shown as a different universe.
Alternate version of the same charecter brought to the 616 universe. Wanda's power's alter probabilities, so her "making" Hawkeye doesn't hold true. How could she make one, and complate, when she doesn't know "every" thing about him? It's an alteration of reality. A change of probabilities. Odds changed. Nuff said.
HoM hasn't been shown to be a different universe, it was just an altered 616 universe. Hawkeye died, then was brought back by Scarlet Witch, its not all that complicated.
Theres only one Return, and it ain't of the King, its of the Jedi.
This is like AoA. It was an altered version of 616 one day, later, it was shown as a different universe.
Alternate version of the same charecter brought to the 616 universe. Wanda's power's alter probabilities, so her "making" Hawkeye doesn't hold true. How could she make one, and complate, when she doesn't know "every" thing about him? It's an alteration of reality. A change of probabilities. Odds changed. Nuff said.
AoA was a divergent reality. it happened because Xavier was killed at an early juncture in his career. It was an offshoot of the mainstream reality. Alternate realities are realities whole and onto themselves. They are just a real or true as any of their counter parts. Like th e Earths in the COrss time caper in Excalibur v1
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