just a quick question, i may have missed it during a snack break. um, who won the ultimate rookies and the traitor scenarios? sorry if im being a dumb dumb again.

And even less to the rest of us.

Heroclix Fantasy League.

Playing clix is more fun than listening to two people talk about their favorite figures and scenarios. New players are always welcome.

Ya got that one right!

eh, everyone has bad days. Overeaction on on the casts part, or on Scott's part or both is really all this was. I enjoy the casts and I enjoy PbP, I respect Gudda and Drew, and Iceman and Vagrant for what they do to promote the game and keep it intresting which is way more than I have the ability to.

I was taken by the comments myself, not because you don;t like the league because everyone has a valid opinion, but in knowing how much hard work people have put into creating this league and keeping it running on a day to day basis, it just seemed like a slap in the face to those guys who take time out of their day to keep players playing, but I also knew that you guys weren;t really like that normally so I'm glad to hear outside influences were a part of it.

So no more name calling or bickering or whatever that I know no one really wants to be doing anyway and everyone just focus on the game. Unless any of you is secretly Joey Q, in which case burn in hades.

Also I would have old school KC Supes in my top. I can;t even count the number of times I crushed with him. Even with lame KC Batman at his side.

Since next Clixcast is Wolverine may I make a suggestion.

The one after that should be Iron man. No need to go back to DC. Wizkids put out so many more sets of Marvel. You would be following the tradition of set releases.

Then you guys can move on to doing other Top 5 lists.
Team abilities, powers, feats, etc...

Since I collect Superman Clix...I'm right there with you on your list up to this point...great job...I'd change to...

4. Darkseid Superman from Cosmic Justice...the amount of PAIN I have inflicted over the years with that fig...

5. Personally...I love the 317 point Superman from Crisis...I KNOW he's ridiculously powerful, but he's also how I always thought Superman should be for power and ability. I almost never get to play him though as my son cals him the "Deal Breaker Superman" and refuses to play against him (he's more afraid of Superman than the Spectre)

Honorable Mention: Veteran Superman from Icons - served me well over the years - especially w/the JLA.

Since it looks like you two can take a little criticism:

1) Bringing "as a force" Galactus to any event (short of "Galactus-Only" or "swap forces" events) is being a jerk. Any rationale is weak, and I'd like to point out that if this had been a regular tiered event with rounds, unless you lost control of Galactus more rounds than you didn't...it would still be very unlikely that you would lose the event.

2) Re: JL046 Superman: "Free Move" HSS would be next-to-useless on a 200+ point figure...how likely is it that in that game you are going to need extra actions?

I've played that Superman, but the back half of the dial (w/ Self-Sacrifice) is a terrible power for this figure. IF you happen to have another figure that your opponent wants to hit INSTEAD of Superman, you can take the damage...but the only way I'd feel good about using that power would be if it offered either a damage reducer (since aside from Defense, Superman is getting worse) or if it was also Willpower...so that Superman could risk doing something on his back-half. His powers other than the HSS (CCE, FB, EE) don't necessarily lend themselves to use if he's adjacent to a friendly figure (that isn't getting KO-ed).

3) It struck me as being a little defensive/territorial when "Typhon bumped you off the font page"

1) yeah I know what you mean, but most at the event have shown up with others like Anti-Monitor and such. It wasn't for a prize or anything, just a friendly event.

3) nah, not defensive, but when you get several news posts, monday maps/then Typhons/then PBP post news fills up to fast without giving people time to read. It is all settling itself out. Monday Maps helps pay the costs of HCRealms. Typhon can bump anyone-being the owner of the site ^_^! I'm his business partner on Grid Reality and we talk quite regularly.

Yeah we can take criticism.
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Well, with all the criticism going around, I think someone should say this:

Great job clixcast guys. I love what you do, and I've listened to several of your podcasts. I enjoy your commentary on comic books and your discussion of different pieces. Don't let everyone make you feel bad. The cool thing about typing out what you're trying to say is that you have a delete button so you can carefully choose what you say. On a podcast, you just ramble on and say things you don't really mean sometimes like people do in regular life. It doesn't mean they're not mistakes, but it also means they're only mistakes. All the situation called for was an apology and you guys delivered. I hope this stuff doesn't discourage you from making future podcasts.

I love what the fantasy leagues do too. It's a really cool idea and I've picked up a lot of tips on how to play better by reading matches between different players on the site. So great job to you guys too.

Anyway, that's all. Everybody love everybody!

I have an equally low opinion of players who bring such figures to "as a force" events. There are definite tiers of competitive builds, and Galactus (and other figures, like chase Superman figures) don't strike me as "friendly".

Locally, we learned (when I brought Galactus for a scenario) that unless the players know in advance (when they build their force) that they are going to be facing one of the monsters, players will be discouraged.

I'm proud of my JSA's victory against Starro in the foolish 600-point DC-Only restricted AP event (during the Crisis release?)...but that was only possible because of planning with a BFC, map-choice and an unplanned crit-hit. I never would have been able to beat TWO Starro teams.

Haha, yes! There was a guy at my old venue who thought I had encyclopedic knowledge of the rules. I said, 'well, no, not really, I just watch 20 games a month, all with random BFC and maps, with almost every figure you could dream of. Plus, I pay attention.'

It's great that you check out the league! Ever think about joining?

Are you repeating yourself? You already stated how you felt about Galactus at an event? The two guys I played had no trouble with him being there. They are regulars and both of them used to be the judges for this area.

Matter of fact it offered them more of a challenge. And since it was a 3 way battle they ganged up on the big guy of course. Which is no big deal. So my 600pt. Galactus basically took down 1400pts of Clix. So actually the event was a little more fair/even then it seemed. Also Brett had about 4-5 probability controls on his team. He just couldn't hit'em for some reason. If he would have, he probably could have taken Galactus down.

It was a fun 2 hour game, everyone had fun. End of story. I'm getting the impression that you think I take him everywhere I go like he's my buddy. I haven't taken him out of the box in like 2 years. I wanted to give him a run again.

Your talking to the same guy who likes to run Doom/PowerPack or Nick Fury/PowerPack teams, so believe me the guys down there have plenty of opp. to try and toast me.

You shouldn't impose your own imaginations onto another person; I think I've been pretty clear that "as a force" I don't think the big guy really has a role in "for fun", regularly scheduled events...no matter how long he's sat in a box.

Occasionally I read about (or have played with someone) who says "I haven't played with Galactus/Spectre in years, how about we schedule a game with it?"...but more often than not a player has shown up for a 600 point game with such a figure and rationalizes it as "I never get to play it."

At the risk of repeating myself (from many years ago) I see three essential problems with Galactus "as a force" in regular games: (1) His raw stats (including the multi-attack) are simply in another class of figure outside of 99% of other Heroclix pieces. (2) His long list of immunities to other powers (and game effects like tie-up, blocking terrain, etc.) make it HIGHLY unlikely that an opponent if going to get any use out of powers/abilities on figures that they actually had to pay points to field. (3) You can do HUGE amounts of damage to him (defeating two dials even!) and score ZERO points.

I think it is possible to have fun (and even make it competitive) to play regular teams against the big guys without using the "scenarios"...despite the fact that this event became a three-for-all, you brought a 600-point Galactus to what was expected to be a 700(?) point scenario, multi-round event.

The worst part IMO, is that for the advertised event (with multi-rounds)...if you had lost control of Galactus to the scenario you would only have lost ~200 points to that opponent (your pogs and whatever figure you took...if you chose to reveal it!) whereas every round you kept control of Galactus you could score approximately 700 points (by never revealing your traitor). Bringing the 600-point guy is a pretty clear attempt to hijack the scenario.

I'm glad you guys had fun (and 2-on-1 with double points against Galactus would be a fairer fight, IMO), but you probably would have had as much fun by actually playing two rounds each of the scenario against a non-Galactus/Spectre/Starro team.

We had special rules for when you brought Galactus "as a force" at my venue when "House Rules" were still allowed. Toned him down a little bit and made it even, everyone knew the deal and he was played, as well as the Spectre, a few times.

Do you recall what house rules you used?

The times I've played him ("as a force", but against multiple players) I've used:

1) The number of Galactus' dials are used equal to or less than the sum of the opposing player's forces. Galactus goes last.

2) Each player can use an extra die on their attack rolls (3d6 instead of 2d6), up to three times for each of their turns. The original "ultimate nullifier" as it were.