Chases aren't ruining heroclix for everyone, just the collectors and completionists among us. If you're playing and you see an E2 superman or a Lamppost Batman across the table, you think "Yuck, those guys are a strong team. This could get tricky." Compare that with Yu-Gi-Oh or Money: the Gathering when you see the Super Secret whatever-the-heck card. "Oh ####, I should just forfeit now since I have no chance of winning. My time would be better spent browsing the store." I've only played Migic about 5 times and they were just friendly games with a buddy, but winning equates to spending money to get the uber-awesome cards for your deck. In heroclix, give a good player $10-20 worth of commons and uncommons, and they can take down E-2 Superman, Kal-l and whoever else you throw at them. Ok, on to the actual thread topic.



-Chases being central characters. Throg and Thorbuster were cool, but they weren't essential to current comic storylines. This made them only necessary to collectors, Avengers enthusiasts and completionists. Compare that with the Black Lanterns. THis is the main comic storyline right now. Heck, I might even read it. Everyone wants them. Collectors, completionists, Sinestro fans, tertiary comic readers, avid comic readers, people like me who just want the latest hot stuff. Yes it's a good sales tactic and yes it probably worked, but people are going nuts for this stuff. $100 for a little piece of plastic? Yikes.


-Putting Batman, Superman, and Spiderman in every set. I get it, they're the iconic figures, but enough is enough. It's getting to the point where this is the thought process.

Creator #1 "Hey, the last Spiderman had Supersenses on Clicks 1-4 and Reflexes on 5-7."
Creator #2 "You're right, what should we do different?"

Creator #1 "What if we put Reflexes on 1-3 and Senses on 4-7?"

Creator #2 "THat's brilliant, do you think the customers will notice anything?"

Creator #1 "Naw, it's Spiderman. They'll buy it no matter what. He could be wearing a pink dress."
Creator #2 "You're right, let's call it a day and spend the afternoon playing laser tag."
Those figures are getting old.

-Under/overcosting severl TAs. Icons Exp Batman is better than the Vet because of the TA. Avengers TA. 5 points and you get your choice of nasty TAs to use after seeing your opponent's team. Masters of Evil, IL, Mystics and Superman Enemies are all extremely expensive. Most of the time these pieces are not effective for the points.

-Several Feats, I'm mainly talking about Fortitude and Protected. Suddenly Lex Luthor being smarter than Superman counts for nothing, Loki's dirty tricks are useless against Thor. With Protected, it's effectively saying, "Nuh uh". "Oh, you expended resources, time and energy to whack superman? Well God owes me a favor and I'm calling it in. So he takes no damage." Encompassed in the Powers and Abilities card are counters for everything. Prob Control counters high defense values, outwit counters damage reducers, power cosmic and outwit counter outwit. These feats were too easy to abuse.


-Immortal_Raven

Inclusion of REV/Generic characters taking up nearly half of BatB is really an F in my book.

Other than that, I'd say entirely seperating Horrorclix and Actionclix from Heroclix is what did those games in. Not that I'm grading them on that, but it just seemed like a poor decision.

Wait...wait...fairness is degrading?! What kind of bizarro world do you live in?

"Yeah, I swept a tournament with my Starro* - no one could really keep up with what he could do. I pretty much bought my victory - $80 of win!"

"Yeah, I printed up a bunch of free stuff - you know, stuff anyone could get their hands on. I won not because I had a bigger wallet, but because I'm a better player."

Who's the jerk in this scenario? Yeah, it's the wanker whipping out Starro. A level playing field is a good thing. Let me tell you something - I'm a pretty decent player at my venue, but I'm not fantastic or anything. I can usually go 2-1. But when I use Warbound? Yeah, it usually nets me a victory - that card alone significantly impacts the game. I'd rather everyone have something like that at their disposal, instead of only people who feel like blowing $30 on a piece of cardboard. I feel a lot better knowing someone beat me because they put together a better team than because they can blow more money on the game than me.

Collectibility is a necessary evil, not a bonus.

* Or insert some other expensive, not readily available piece. Chase Supermen, Galactus, whatever.

This is only a "problem" if:

A) You plan on playing in one of the events WK themselves is hosting - at one of the few conventions/shows they're attending.

But what if you're not planning on attending any of those? Then guess what? You're also not playing in an official event! Regardless of the prizes.


B) You, the other people you play with, & the venue you play at CHOOSE to make it so.

You're free to run your events any way you want now. WHAT MORE DO YOU FREAKIN WANT?

So talk to who-ever, go set up a few Moderns, a few Goldens, some sealed, some custom scenarios, mix&match some elements as you please.
And guess what? No WK stormtroopers will kick in your door, accuse you of playing wrong, & confiscate your prizes.


When the prize kits been sold on EBay.....
Solution; Find yourself some other comic or hobby shop (or any store with a D/A account) that doesn't support HC. Odds are they'll be glad for more bussiness. Order the min. cases & a prize kit though them.
Reduce your order at the original store as appropriate. Then buy just the min. from them in order to retain use of their tables.
Don't say anything about your new arrangement to venue you're displeased with. Let the loss of sales say it & leave the venue to draw it's own conclusions.

That'd be viable if, you know, I wasn't in Ottumwa, Iowa. Aside from our local shop, the nearest ones are Ames, Iowa City, and Des Moines, the nearest of which is a 90 minute drive away. I'm sure it must be great to be in a larger city where there are several venues to choose from, but not all of us have this luxury.

Quit rattling the Great Chain!

I still display mine.
I love looking at him and playing him occasionally as a force.
What "special" do you want to feel? Is it the "nanny nanny poo poo I have something you don't have!" special?
I mean nothing changes the fact that you WON it and did not have to PAY for it. You can still remember that great tournament where you were up against others and in the end your team came through. You can share that story and show off the Starro.
Why does one have to be annoyed? I can't see why it matters.

Yeah. Honestly, since when is winning $80 a bad thing?

QFT. And repped.

I own Starro, Galactus, Foom, a small number of chases (won one, bought the others, still never pulled one). I have them because I think they are cool, not because of any "value". I own the E-2 Superman and the Lampost Batman because I think those are VERY representative versions of those characters, and very cool sculpts (and we were going through a hiatus at the time, so I still spent far less money than I would have if we were getting a normal year's sets). I don't really think re-releasing hard-to-get figures is really good for WK long-term marketing strategy, because I think it degrades the perceived value of the current product (I'm assuming that part of the value of boosters currently on the shelf is in the potential to get chase figures from them).

But hard-to-get broken figures/cardboard/whatever should be avoided at all cost. Which is why I'm glad that Warbound is now available for everyone...there was a real problem with the playing field becoming uneven because of rare OTT cardboard elements. P&P fixed that with one broad stroke.

What a shock you completely missed the point of my original post. If anyone is the wanker, its you. The point I was trying to make was that they could have either 1, made a different dial or 2, made it a different color. They didn't have to release it exactly the same but they did, so in fact, it was a "jerk move" on Wizkids part.

If Wizkids went with option #1, they'd have made a completely new figure, effectively. Or would you be fine with chase figures if Wizkids released two versions - a chase dial and a readily available dial? Wizkids selling Starro is roughly along the lines of putting one chase in per case - it would make a hard-to-get piece more readily available.

Anyone who gets their jollies over an exclusive piece is a wanker. The more people that can have something, the better.

That said, sure. A different paint job wouldn't be bad or anything. But Starro's not really one of those figures you can do it with - the green version of Starro isn't only colored green, but would necessitate an entirely new sculpt.

I agree with this..
It is a silly thing to be annoyed at. I went to wwe and spent half my day trying to get a galactus... then he was remade and given as a tourney prize...
Guess what... still love my galactus.

Now if we can please try to be civil here.. If we can't I will have to close the thread.

Once again you missed the point, stunning I know. I don't get my jollies from an exclusive piece. To your first point, chases are not the same as the Starro figure. We didn't have to buy boosters every week and then play for the right to own one. Your comment comparing the two is completely wrong and shows you really put no thought into it. For the second part, who cares if the dial was a little different, I didn't say they had to change it completely, it would still be a STARRO FIGURE! As for the color change, they could have just given it a high gloss cover like they did for Galactus.

There's an orange Foom because there was an actual orange Foom. It also wouldn't make sense for Starro to have a high gloss like Galactus does.

And, no. I've put plenty of thought into this. You're trying to say that buying all those booster for sealed events entitles you to a Starro and that anyone who didn't buy all those boosters isn't entitled to one. Never mind that plenty of other people also bought a bunch of boosters, yet didn't get Starro.

What's the difference between someone who bought Starro for $80 and someone who won Starro at a sealed event?

The person who played the sealed event spent $22 and has the contents of those boosters and Starro. The person who didn't win Starro has Starro and is out $80.

You sincerely need to rethink your position if you believe that the person who spent $22 is in any way "screwed" because other people could buy Starro.

The Emphases are mine. I've highlighted them because they are in direct opposition to each other. If the brick figure does not have value it cannot be an incentive (or at least not an effective one). I went into more depth in the "A Decisions" thread, so I won't get into them here (I was the person maligned for wanting my incentives to be incentives; as a side note, I do find it humorous that I was accused of wanting to "lord it over people" that I had a brick figure by Boosnickerty and some other guy, and yet Boosnickerty is the one crying about not being able to lord his Starro over the people who bought one, never mind the strategic prowess he must have had to exhibit to earn his).

I like this method as well. I personally would want my figure to be numbered so the number does have value for me, but I am aware that others are not so discriminant and that's great for them.

This is actually the opposite of Power Creep. Power Creep would be if Icons starter Batman was 74pts and the BatB Batman was 47pts. Instead, this seems to show that the point formula is working in some capacity.

Golden Age is just as official as Modern Age. Modern Age, on the other hand, is much more accessible to newer players. That's important to Heroclix's come back.

Well, the numbers actually do add value to me and I'd wager others. Also, you don't seem to be aware of the specifics of the program; at present, if there's enough demand, then everyone who bought a brick gets a figure either numbered or otherwise.

Never actually happened. I'm a judge. I run the events and handle the prize support. Under the old system prize support got hocked on ebay by venues about as often as it does now.