But according to normalview and BigSoph it does.

I don't think normalview commented either way. His post concerned losing the tokens. Now it's possible his silence said the earlier opinion was correct. Or not.

So what is or was the final ruiling? Other then playing in a modern era format?

I know this came up on the WK rules forum when Metron came out. I don't think that this was the final decision, but I could be mistaken.

EDIT: Going back to the "A,B, or C power" statement that you made, AA Question's "Ask the Question" special power said that she could use either Outwit or Perplex, but when she used perplex could only use it on opposing characters. With regard to the Question + Brilliant Tactician it was ruled that Question could, in fact, be assigned and use Brilliant Tactitian but that it wouldn't matter since her use of Perplex only works on opposing characters, thus negating any benefit from Brilliant Tactician. This seems to contradict Maraud's memory a bit.

You are remembering a discussion about Nico Minoru and the Staff of One special power.

The reasoning was that because Nico's Staff of One doesn't explicitly mention any powers by name, when she chose Perplex with her Staff of One she would not be able to use outwit anywhere on her dial, and thus exclude her from using BT.

It was also stated that she could technically use BT every other turn if she chose Outwit with Staff of One when she had Perplex showing natively on her dial. This all changed with the Blackest Night rule set, of course (which means she no longer can use BT at all).

Edit: Do whatever you want.

Um, I'm going to play devil's advocate on this one and say he can use CP regardless of which option he chooses.


Each turn i can choose Leadership, or one of two other choices and use it. Just because i choose a different one doesn't change the fact that i possess a special power that lets me use Leadership.


If i possess leadership and don't roll for it at the beginning of the turn does that mean i don't use leadership and thus can't activate Contingency plan? Even if it does, why would i loose my tokens?

What does this have to do with current discussion? Nothing that you describe in this section would cause the character to lose and/or prevent the character from using Leadership.

I am all for discussion, but let's not try and muddy up the waters any further by bringing in stuff that doesn't really have any bearing.

I also understood your first post in this thread and agree with the below.

I think it has to do with comprehension of when a power is lost.
As UniqueLoginNamor said, if he doesn't roll for Leadership is that enough to lose CP tokens?

Our thought is that the definition of "lost" isn't consistent with Metron, or perhaps Leadership in general.

I can't stick around to finish typing what I wanted to say, but there is more than idle discussion here. There's a desire to comprehend the idea of "loss" and how it is determined in certain situations.

All I can say to that is rephrasing of what I said earlier: choosing not to roll does nothing to cause the power to be lost or otherwise prevent the character from using Leadership.

Some one asked me to pop back in as it seems that Maraud and BigSoph's answers weren't enough.

To use a feat, a character must meet the prerequisites (which includes being able to use a prerequisite power through a special power). So Metron can use Leadership via his SP: fine, he can also use Contingency Plan.

But if Metron uses either Perplex or Support, he can't use Leadership for the remainder of that turn... so, for that turn, he can't use Contingecy Plan, either.

In light of that, two questions. First, does this mean any tokens on Contingency Plan go away? Second, how does that mesh with nbperp's ruling regarding Iron Man/War Machine's Adaptive Response Armor and feats?

The tokens would go away, see earlier in the thread.

I'm not sure how you see the two rulings contradicting?

First : tokens on the card go away if the character loose the power. Metron doesn't loose it : he cannot use it (for this turn). It's not the same thing. The tokens stay where they are.
Second : Norm say that IM/WM use Elite Sniper only when using Duo Attack (because their SP only allow them to use RCE during a dua attack), which make sense. He also say that IM/WM don't have to actually use RCE to use the feat. They only need to be able to use it, which they can as long as they are using the Duo attack ability.
Metron is different : his SP says that he can only ONE power during the turn. So as soon as he has used one of them, he is no longer able to use any other one for the rest of the turn. He can use Contingency Plan just fine as long as he hasn't use neither Support nor Perplex, just like he would be able to use any Support-based feat if he had not yet use Perplex or Leadership. But at the very moment he uses Perplex or Support, he loose the ability to use Leadership altogether, for the rest of the current turn, and with it the ability to use any Leadership-based feat he might have, including Contingency Plan.
I don't see where this goes against what Norm have said about Sharpshooter and Adaptative Response Armor. They are two different situations.

Which is why I asked the question. normalview just gave a ruling and still there is disagreement about whether the tokens go away or not.

From the Player's Guide:
While it doesn't say that Iron Man/War Machine can only use one of the powers listed, that is the ruling. The ruling is that Iron Man/War Machine cannot mix and match Incapacitate, Penetrating/Psychic Blast, Ranged Combat Expert when using Adaptive Response Armor. Further, it says that Iron Man/War Machine chooses Incapacitate, Penetrating/Psychic Blast, Ranged Combat Expert and uses that instead of something else. If he can use the one chosen, then logic dictates that he cannot use the other two. (Which is what lead to the no mix and match ruling in the first place.) If he cannot use a power, then they should not be able to use a feat that requires that power as a prerequisite. In other words, when they choose Incapacitate, choosing Incapacitate means that they are not able to use RCE regardless of whether they actually use Incapacitate or not. So what I'm really probably arguing is that the Iron Man/War Machine ruling should be reviewed to make it consistent with this ruling regarding Metron and Contingency Plan.

On a different note, I assume it would be fine for Metron to use Hold the Line and then later in the same turn use Perplex. However, if he used Perplex in a turn then he couldn't use Hold the Line later that turn.