I hate the whole idea of bonus points. I think if you take out your opponents whole team, you get the full points of the build, regardless of whether you used the Villains for Hire, Sentinels or your opponent chucked out a bunch of Ultron drones.

I lost out on Thanos because I didn't play against the one guy playing Ultron... even though I won all of my games, and took full points.. I lost Thanos because I had the bad luck of not playing a specific opponent? The guy who won felt bad, and we had a playoff for Thanos..

I think you should never be able to earn more points then the build total.. but you can use bonus points to pad your total.. allowing you to lose with full points.. or win with full points without taking your opponents full team..

But to think you should get MORE then the full build total because your opponent concedes is patently ridiculous..

It isn't ridiculous when you're about to get more points than the build total using a mechanic perfectly within the rules of the game, and your opponent concedes in an attempt to circumvent those mechanics. That is unsportsmanlike sour grapes garbage is what that is.

So the fact that you had rotten luck with your pairings in a tournament means that everyone who pays the points for a villains for hire TB to take advantage of their ability to get double points should be screwed for the end of time? Yeah man, that's a credible opinion...

Sure there is: They are booted. Gone. Done.

Any chance they would have had at placing or winning fellowship is also lost.

If this is at a WizKids-supported event, then they lose the opportunity to play in any other events at that convention. They have the stigma of getting a DQ for being a jerk. If that's not enough of a penalty, then it's not. But there's only so much that can be done: I don't think we're allowed to tar and feather or ride them out of town on a rail.

Would you argue that if you faced three opponents that were under pointed that you should have received the full build total for each game? Luck is a large part of this game, and who you get paired up against can decide who wins the whole thing.

I think the question an orange needs to consider is:

At GenCon, in a 300 point tournament, player A (using VFH) is about to KO player B's JL:TB (identified as the "mark" by player A).

Player B, before any dice are rolled, concedes.

Does player A get 300 points or 600 points?

This could very well become an issue at GenCon (or any tournament really).

I would say its 300 points as that's the maximum points for that type of tourney even with special rules because there could be lots of them and who is to say you would get the bonus points. It's just in this case that its easy to say that you would get the points because they only have 1 figure.

Plus, we have the benefit of playing to 1 undefeated player in most tourneys and in the ones where we don't, we take the undefeated and move them all forward like in Worlds. So the only player hurt would be one with a loss and points mattering for placement and at that point, you would have had a loss so I don't feel that it matters.

Plus, the conceding player severely hurts his placement in the event because he gets 0 points and the loss.

What a great suggestion... Why didn't I think of that...

And I think Normalview already answered that. You get 300 points if that is the build, and that's it. I disagree, based on the "best victory conditions" language, but I'm afraid my vote isn't worth much...

Seriously though, I totally agree. If Nightwing and Gandalf were enough of a concern for the rules guys that they got a pre-emptive errata based on, "hey it could be a problem in a high caliber tournament" I think they should address this.

Before the dice are thrown? 300 after play started I would think 600 if the power has been used. But then I am kind of new at this.

The best victory conditions is for a forfeit.

Conceding causes all of that player's character to be immediately defeated and VPs are then based on that.

I didn't see a direct answer to it though. I do, however, appreciate your tone with me. Silly me, asking a direct question. F### me right?

Dont forget that this is an option instead of forfeiting -
Forfeiting, seems to mean quitting the tournament.
Conceding just means, ending the current game.(and is probably what you're looking for.)

They could make it to where you can only concede/forfeit on your own turn.

However, we can mock them endlessly on Realms in the GD section.

Correct, forfeiting means you are dropping out of the tournament and will get no prizes at a WizKids sponsored event.

Conceeding means you just lose the current round of the tourney. Not sure why you would conceed because you will get a loss and 0 points regardless of what you scored during the round. Your opponent gets a win plus 300 points.

Not sure how conceeding screws over your opponent. Yes, in the Villains for Hire scenario, they wouldn't get the 300 extra bonus points but in a WizKids run event at a convention we run until we have 1 undefeated winner so points won't matter unless you are fighting for ranking in the lower spots.