That was my feeling, too. The Player's Guide features this passage:

Now, it could be specific to Leadership, but it could well be referring to a general definition of the term "successful roll" within the framework of the rules.

It's not dependent on whether Shape Change was successful, but rather what was rolled on the die.

But Battle Fury doesn't care what you rolled when rolling for shape change; either way, Battle Fury ignores it.

We're just going to go back and forth on this unless a current orange chimes in.

Mystique can use shape change. Period. That's its own thing.

If she does roll and that roll gets a 6, no enemy unit can attack her. That's different from Shape Change.

Now the question really is, since the Shifter power springs from a roll made by the SC power, what gets to trump what, Shifter or Fury, due to Shifter being it seems a modified Shape Change.

Battle Fury ignores Shape Change. That's not in doubt. However, Shape Change is defined with certain specific rules that the Shifter power of hers does not follow nor have.

I say that Shifter trumps over Fury. It is NOT in the technical sense Shape Change. It springs from the roll made to see if she can Shape Change, yes. But it does not follow the rules set down that defines SC itself. Also, an issue of timing comes up. What comes first, the attack or the reaction? Regular SC prevents the attack from happening from a single attacker (per roll). The Shifter roll prevents all enemies from even making an attack. So, does Shifter prevent the attacker from even making the original attack since NO enemy can attack her?

I say, due to the fact that it prevents all enemies from attacking (it doesn't say 'except those possessing Battle Fury' for example) and does not follow the actual rules of Shape Change, it is neither SC nor trumped by Fury.

pretty sure when you ignore something, it cannot be used, so no roll. when i ignore a figure due to improved movement it's plasticity doesn't cause me to stop when moving past it, or even just the normal rule that you have to stop when moving adjacent to an opposing figure.

here is a better example / question: I Pulse wave at Mystique. does she get to roll shape change? no, because her power is ignored.

I don't think this is exactly correct and here is why:

We players don't choose to roll for Shape-Change because even if I roll a 5 or 6, Pulse-Wave ignores the power - ie treats it like its not there. So its a waste of time to roll it.

Pulse-Wave doesn't counter Shape-Change (like Outwit), so my figure with Shape-Change still has the power, its just ignored by the attacker.

Thank you for saving me the time of looking up the definition of ignoring a power. I agree with the posters that say she wouldn't get to roll. If for some reason, you attacked her with someone without battle fury and she rolled a 6, the battle fury character would not be able to attack because he would ignore the shape change, not the rest of her trait.

The design team may have intended otherwise.

I believe this is the important point. The Superman example works because Penetrating damage doesn't ignore the damage reducer, it just says it can't be reduced... while they mean the same thing in English, they are very different in Heroclix as the attack still activates the power, which tries to reduce the damage, which fails because it can't be reduced, but it still lets him heal 1 because of the way it's worded.

In the case of BF, it ignores SC, which treats it like it isn't there (not the result of the SC, but it ignores the power itself)... if the power isn't there, you can't roll for it.
I see this like how someone with Phasing/Teleport doesn't have to stop next to a figure with Plasticity or KC TA because it is ignoring figure bases for movement. They don't have to try to stop because they ignore the figure (treating it like it's not there so the power can't affect them).

I would also like to see an orange verify, but this is my 2 cents based on previous rulings in similarly worded situations.

The attacking character with battle fury ignores shape change but Mystique still has it and would still roll. If she succeeds with a 5 or a 6 the BF attacker still ignores it but that doesn't impact the second part of the power. Look at the rulings for barrier and super strength vs pulse wave.

I am in the landoman camp. Very sound logic, IMO.

I disagree. Battle Fury ignores shape change, treating it as if it was not present. Therefore, the attack doesn't trigger a roll, just like pulse wave. If an attack beforehand had triggered a roll, a six would affect battle fury (but not pulse wave) for the reason you described.

No, it doesn't really.

Battle Fury ignores the result of a Shape Change roll if the Attacker possesses BF and is attacking the Shape Changer. That is to say, when a Shape Change roll succeeds, the BF attacker just goes, "I don't care, puuuunch!".

Shape Change is NOT ignored in the way you mean. It is not removed from play. It is not revoked from the dial. It still exists, it's still there, and it still has a game effect. The die results on it still stand, even if someone with Battle Fury doesn't care what the result is.

Shape Shifter lets you use Shape Change. Battle Fury gets to bypass Shape Change. That, everyone can agree on. Shape Shifter ALSO gives as a DIFFERENT ability the power to NOT BE ABLE TO ATTACKED BY ANY OPPOSING FIGURE.

And Battle Fury definitely does NOT ignore that.

She wouldn't get the effect against WoS Bullseye because his effect specifically says they can't use Shape Change thus halting the process since Shape Shifter keys off the Shape Change you can't use.

However, she could technically roll for it against Pulse Wave, it just would have the Shape Changes effect ignored by PW. The effect is still there, and usually there's no point in rolling so nobody does. For that matter, there's no point rolling for it here either, since Shape Shifter is an effect that would get ignored also. Here's some proof:

The bolded part shows us the ignored effects are still there, so technically you could still roll Shape Change, the effect just doesn't matter in this case of PW. Same with Shape Shifter, its effect won't matter in a Pulse Wave either even though it still technically exists if you decide to roll for Shape Change.

Battle Fury is a different story though. It only ignores Shape Change. So the effect is still there if you want to roll the dice for it, but the effects of Shape Change won't matter to the user of Battle Fury (he's the only one who ignores the effects).

Shape Shifter on the other hand is its own effect. It allows Shape Change, but the second half of Shape Shifter keys off of whether or not you use Shape Change, not off Shape Change affecting the opposing character as someone else mentioned. Since Shape Change isn't lost (per the bolded quote and last paragraph) you can make the roll and the Battle Fury opponent ignores the effect of Shape Change. Then the second half of Shape Shifter triggers if you roll a 6 since the effect is out there, just not useful against the Battle Fury, and no opponents can attack Mystique. This is not the effect from the Shape Change, it is the effect from the second half of Shape Shifter (separated by a period to try to prevent confusion - didn't work) so Battle Fury doesn't ignore it.

Battle Fury doesn't ignore the effects, or the roll, or anything. It just ignores it. It isn't there. There's no Shape Change to be had.

If Mystique is attacked by a character with Battle Fury, there is no successful Shape Change because there is no Shape Change.

Pulse Wave ignores all powers and abilities and half of everything else. Battle Fury just ignores Shape Change. If the ability starts with 'This character can use Shape Change, and when they do', you can stop reading because you're ignoring that part.

I don't know about a non-Battle Fury attacker attacking first, and then a battle fury attacker attacking after a 6 is rolled, however.

so does Shadow king get a chance to heal after pulse wave? that would be no.

when a power is ignored, you don't get to use it. you have to use Shapechange to roll the d6.

now, if someone attacks Mystique and her player rolls a 6, battle fury will not let you attack her, as it is her trait that says she cannot be targeted (of course she could be hit with pulse wave). the trick is, because it is ignored, you do not get to use it, because you can't use it you do not get to roll.