hey enforcer, you can stuff that argument about lending units. I used to do a LARP and let newbies borrow my stuff. You know what, they trashed it. I'll let people I know borrow my stuff, but never an unknown, not anymore.

cripes, you sound like people on Counterstrike who yell 'newbies go home!'. completely forgeting they were newbies once. If you're pushing for once a month, are you going to make the bms run it too? I know some bms who have rather strong opinions on forcing faction purity.

I am a new player and don't have pure faction army yet, but I still would very much like the idea of faction purity. :)

I think that faction purity should be encouraged but not required.
With introducation of faction ability wizkids could create faction ability for each faction only if there 100% of unit from that faction in build force. Liao unit point cost would be balanced because they would have their current faction abilities + the new one if they choose to go completly faction pure. It would add a lot of flavor to the game :).

Maniac. I agree with you.

I love faction purity, and know a lot of BM's also love Faction purity. However, I do no force it on people. I will not force it on people. It should not be forced on people. I do enjoy playing faction purity. I have more fun when playing both for and against Faction Purity. Occasionally, I think in an unrestricted event I do run faction pure events, but they shouldn't be forced in EVERY event.

Are my posts invisible to you and Maniac? I'm asking because it
doesn't seem that either of you have read them. NOWHERE have
I stated that faction purity should be forced, let alone in EVERY
event. I'm saying that once a month an ADDITIONAL scenario
should be open to those who PREFER to play faction pure. If you
don't have the pieces to play faction pure, DON'T SIGN UP! It's
that simple. What about that statement is so difficult for some
to grasp? We all enjoy playing this game. Is it fair to exclude
players who like to play faction pure? Think about it!

I do. However, not everyone in this country (or any other) is a boyscout. I know this because if they were, this thread wouldn't have been started.

I also find it ironic that you are willing to be unfair to new players because of armies you see as unfair. Just beacuse Arnis and some Balacs keep you from your precious Innova wolf, you cry "Bloody Murder" and cry to Wizkids to fix the problem of an army you can't beat. Try this for a fix: USE A GOOD STRATEGY! Not too long ago, I faced down 2x SS Balac, 2x SS DI AAA, and 9x SS hoverbikes, a faction pure cheese army, as you can see, and beat it to a bloody pulp using not one cheese unit, just strategy.

It's unfair, yes. But yes, you can beat it. Don't spend time complaining, spend time learning. Adapt, or don't get LEs.

I recall seeing your posts, so no, they are not invisible. I understand you said ONLY 1 event per month. I understand about this. But this is currently what the unrestricted events are for. The BM can run anything he/she wants, with whatever rules he/she wants.

for example, during an unrestricted (which does NOT count for your rankings I believe) you can run a fight the dropship, and infantry warrior, a back to DA, where only the unit types in the original set can be used (tanks, mechs, infantry, NO VTOLS, NO Arty, NO transports). Of you could run the proposed rules. or you could run faction pure. or Solaris 7 event. THe entire point of it is so that the BM can come with their own ideas and let their imagination go free. ANYTHING the BM comes up with is legal to play.

Now, perhaps you should talk to your BM, and have him arrange that the unrestricted events at your venue are pure faction. Have him come up with whatever he wants, and make it pure faction.

OK, cool! :cool: I've never played in an unrestricted and wasn't
sure about all the details. That makes sense. My apologies for
sounding so hot-headed about it. I just really enjoy faction pure
play. Anyway, no offense intended and thanks for the info! :)


David

No worries David. BM's surf the boards to help people at times. Unrestricted tournies were put into effect because the BM's wanted Wizkids Sanctioned Events that they could run their own scenerios.

Unrestricted events are for BM's to run scenerios they or their players want them to. Use them for individual events during a month for special rules or pure faction. Thats what they are there for.

faction purity...i play it because i enjoy it and it handicaps me a little...but not all factions would be equal and i can see DF dominating ALL...

also, as many people have stated, that hinders new players. yes, in a perfect world, people would be willing to lend/give pieces to new players. however, we aren't in a perfect world, are we?

Actually, most of the unrestricted tournaments at my venue are done as faction pure events. About half the time, mercenaries are allowed and sometimes they aren't. It's quite fun.

Almost everyone where I play runs faction pure, unless it's a scenario... And even then, people try to play with allied forces. I would prefer people to chose to play pure on their own, and my suggstion on how to deal with a cheese army is... BEAT IT! Last time I fought a force that was running twin SS Balacs, DF Trikes, tank drop, two SS snipers and a SW padilla in addition to crazy screens, I didn't say "Oh now, I'm dead," but instead looked for a way to deal with the insanity. You'll be surprised how easy it is to defend against cheese if you don't have a knee jerk reaction of crying foul and pouting.

Maniac and raverrn, if you check the posts under the poll about faction purity, you'll see that there is a number of newbies that say that they have no problem with faction purity.

I'd also like to point out that the "newbs can't compete" isn't very realistic, for the simple reason that they can't compete anyway. I don't suppose you think that just because a new player can mix all of the units he got from 1 starter and 5 boosters, that he can suddenly go toe to toe with those who have been collecting longer. Faction pure or not, new players can't be competitive.

I was against enforced faction purity in the first sets. Too many factions had too important handicaps. But now, there are enough mercs to make a well rounded force from any faction - the only thing really missing is a merc AA unit.

Enforcing faction purity in all tournaments is premature and will cause serious reactions (even suggesting so does ;)). However, leaving it up to the BMs to use their unrestricted events to run faction pure battles isn't enough IMO. Wk has to actively show support for faction pure events.

This doesn't threaten those who don't like faction purity, it's just an additional event. I can't understand why people are against having even one of these per month...

I would personally prefer faction purity with that exception that you could use mercs in addition to your faction.

Well, as a BM, if my players wantr a faction pure event, then the tourny will be an unrestricted faction pure event.

But thats what Unrestricted Events are for. If your BM does not listen to his/her players, I am sorry, and that sucks. WOrk on them. Having an additional event to be faction pure is kind of a moot point, mainly because thats what we got the unrestricted events for. We got them to do what we want with a WK sanctioned tourny. It may not be enough in your eyes, but it is better than nothing, which is what we had PRIOR to the Unrestriced events.

Some BM's run Unrestricteds as regular H2H, which I can see. It makes it simple. But talk your BM into an Unrestricted H2H Faction Pure. If there is significant player demand at a venue, then thats what the BM should do with the Unrestricted, but alas, not all BMs are as nice or generous or caring as others. Hope you can get your Unrestricted Events to be Faction Pure.