wouldn't say your wrong, but after David was shot and killed Jack reluctantly became Starman to fight Davids killer, but after that Jack and his father became very close and worked together many times. i picked the Knights 'cause i was thinkin' "family" opposed to family by symbols.

Brother Briel - I side with CandySuxxx. The whole run of Starman series with Robinson at the helm was about family. Obligation, relationship, generations, love, loss, birth, death - the whole magilla. I really can't think of a more "family" driven title than Starman.

Now if we're looking superhero family/team - you can't ignore Wolfman/Perez's New Teen Titans.

I think the point here is the term used by DC in the sixties, where they actually grouped their heroes into 'families'. there were even comics called "Batman Family", "Marvel Family", etc. and while these did deal with 'family issues' its the title we're concerned with here not the idea.

I am torn on the Starman issue as I have not read the series. If they were allowed, it could open up a floodgate of other situations including JSA.

Hellboy is correct in my intention of the seventies meaning of the DC Families.

I will leave it up to more votes though.

I have not seen Greyshadow outside PM's much of late. So what is your vote good buddy?

I'll have to throw my hat in the ring for the Superman Family. As stated previously, they've got Krytpo - and somehow (unlike Pre-Crisis), they're making it COOL. The Super-dog works, and that demands recognition.

It appears a lot of people on this thread have differing definitions of superhero "families" then I do. Someone included Flash's Rogues Gallery as part of his family, as well as Iris Allen. If they are villains, I don't see them as part of the family (though Catwoman may push this envelope). If they don't slip into the tights to fight crime, they aren't part of the family, they're supporting cast. That said, I see the families under discussion, Post Crisis, as being:

Flash - Flash III, Flash I, Impulse/Kid Flash (ugh), Jesse Quick, Johnny Quick and Max Mercury. I'm leaving out Barry because he died in Crisis, and so I'm not sure he belongs in a Post Crisis line-up. I know Johnny Quick is dead, but he died Post Crisis after putting in his time in the Post Crisis Flash Family.

Superman - Superman, Superboy, Supergirl (both), Krypto and Steel.

Batman - Batman, Robin II, Robin III, Nightwing, Catwoman, Batgirl, Huntress and Oracle.

Marvel - Captain Marvel, Mary Marvel and CM3.

Are these comprehensive line-ups based on the boundaries I laid out at the front end of this post? Is what I laid out what Briel is thinking of in terms of "Families"?

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Gary E. Poisson

You're fairly close. There are also a few more Marvels.

Yes. The villains don't count. Selina is an exception, especially as she is finally getting close to her preCrisis status as reformed villainess turned heroine.

The "Families include mostly the main hero themselves, and others directly connected and or influenced by the hero. They also keep close ties with said hero or are usually some part of the supporting cast.

I dont normally count just any regular supporting character as part of the "family" as things spin out of control. They would have to actually out there doing some of the heroing. This would be why Commissioner Gordon would count, but not say Iris Allen (as great a character as she was).

As Hellboy pointed out. This is also semi-based on what DC has always considered their families of books and characters, a la the cool Family books of the 60's ad 70's. What was cool abot these books as wel, was they were like triple size with multiple stories (single and multipart).

As a kid I loved Bataman Family more than Bats' own book, because Robin and Batgirl had there own series where they fought and solved crimes together. Grayson and Gordon laying down the law.

I am surprised at how few remember Batwoman. Her costume was a little bright, but she was a cool heroine. I'm pretty sure she was erased in The Crisis which was 19 years ago already (shiver), which would explain why many younger readers may not even have heard of her. Kathy Kane rocked!

Krypto was always cool! It's just somewhere in the mid eighties we lost our sense of humour and wonder for a while. Luckily the magic is coming back.

One of the other reasons I despised Crisis so was that it took Kara from us. I picked up her movie on DVD this year. It's not high art, but it felt good to watch it. It's better than I remembered.