I'm not sure if it's the number of figures alone, it's also the goodies that comes with them.

I can't think of a compromise yet.

Steve, WW, Antiope. Leadership: 3,3,3.

Amazon 1 on Max. Needs 7, rolls 8. 2 to him.

Bats to side away? 4. Moves to F7 on Miss M. No sc on her? Needs 7, rolls 10. SS is 3. 3 to her and since it's doubles, kb to F13.

Amazon 2 charges to B15 on Max. Needs 7, twice, rolls 7 and 7. He's on his stop click.

Donna quakes. Gets 8. Tortured soul ss : 2. Kos him. Kinchloe and Newkirk take 2 each. This is doubles again so the latter kbs to J12.

Donna free incap on Kinchloe. Needs 4, rolls 5. A token to him.

My allied on Newkirk. Needs 5 + 1, rolls 8. I haven't missed 1 attack. Kos him.

WW charges to F10 on GL, she finally gets something to do. Needs 7, rolls 10. 1 to GL. I'll add Golden Armor to her.

I'll swap WW with 62.

No major kos but lots happened:

1 to GL. Newkirk and Tortured soul koed. Kinchloe gets a token and 2 clicks. Miss M takes 3, kb to F13. 4 to Max.

Because this map is so cluttered, it might be helpful to indicate figures with pc.


Ch’p (PC) @ J4
Medusa I8
Steve Trevor (Allied soldier-1) H2
Allied Soldier @ J9
German soldier (Munich) I9 (stealth-Bats, PC from ranged, esd)
German soldier (Berlin) F6 (stealth Bats, PC from ranged, esd)
Antiope F2
Donna Troy 31b (Lasso of Truth) @ G9
Flash 53 7 (PC) G3
Batman (stealthed) @ F7
Wonder Woman 062 (Amazon warrior-2) (Golden Armor) @ F10
Amazon Warrior (PC from ranged Antiope) @@ A15
Amazon Warrior 2 (PC from ranged Antiope) @@ (1) B15

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Regarding the Goodies, maybe we can say that Sidekicks may only benefit from one Captain's bonus on any given turn? Your Soldiers either get ESD or PC at range, but not both.

And not to slow the game down further, but I had Sarge Steel in F10, not Miss Martian. Going by the KB and moving Wonder Woman into F10, he must have been the figure Batman was targeting. Which he would still hit for 2 after Toughness and the KB is fine. Just before I go, I want to make sure you're okay with making that change of target.

I am fine with that. I suspect this game with have above average 'I thought I was targeting so and so' and 'who's that in C16' kind of things.

As for the goodies. For now, let's leave as is. We can come up with exceptions after we decide about how we'll proceed with changes later, we can throw those is. If THIS get gets too involved due to that, then we can change, but for now let's leave it.

Leadership
Diana 2
Maxie 2
Hades 6

Well another Tortured Soul anyway

Max Outwits ESD On Amazon 2.

Circe blows out the wall in E18/19, allowing her to finally maybe use her PC.

Hades on her, AV10 on DV16. Gets 4. Circe makes it 4. Sure glad she can use that PC.

Sarge sides to F11, CCE on...wait. Can't do it. CCE is default +1/+1 now. That'll only give him 2 and if Wonder Woman's using the Golden Armor, he won't be able to break that. Skip that. I may or may not come back to him.

Sarge will give Hogan PD

Maxie Sides to E15, attacks Amazon 2. AV10 on DV16 -1. Gets 9. She can PC it to another 9. 3 to her is a KO anyway - I'm not sure whether I've been playing it this way, but since the Amazons are call ins, I'm going to say Hades can't do a bystander Soul for them.

GL Outwits ESD on Munich.

Hogan to H15

Diana on Munich, AV12 on DV17, with PD and Hindering cancelling. Gets 6. Munich PCs that to 3.

Kinch on Donna, AV8 on DV18. Gets 8, nice but not enough.

Sarge Sides to G13

Miss Martian Outwits Leadership on Wonder Woman

Wow, all that work and all I got was one of your Amazons. Nothing like blowing an early lead.

BGWW105A Miss Martian E13
WW80009 Circe @ H23
WW80002 Allied Soldier (Hogan) @@ H15 (2)
WW80002 Allied Soldier (Kinchloe) @ G10 (2)
WW80012 Sargent Steel F13 (7)
WW80018 Diana Prince (DMA Agents: 2) @@ I15 (Stealth)
WW80051 Green Lantern G11 (2)
WW80027 Maxie Zeus (Minotaur: 1) @@ E14
WW80057 Hades (Tortured Souls: 5) @ E18 (3)
-Tortured Soul D10
WW80047 Maxwell Lord A16 (Stealth)(4)

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"Amazons! You will fall before my might!" Maxie Zeus said, taking one down.

"I have told you, I will not tolerate your pretensions to godhood," Hades said, shooting a beam at the other Amazon.

She blocked it with her shield.

"Who has defeated someone and who hasn't?" Maxie asked.

Steve and Antiope leadership. 6 and 4. Steve gets an allied soldier in I3.

Munich on Hogan w/ee. Gets 4, a miss. I don't have lof to pc.

Ch'p tks Flash to I6.

Donna to break? 6. Charges to H10 on GL. Needs 6, rolls 7. 1 to him. Free incap. Needs 6, rolls 9. A token to him.

WW changes to 62. She attacks Hal w/bcf. Needs 6, rolls 8. BCF is 4. He's on his stop click now.

Bats needs 4 to ko Kinchloe, gets 11. He's out.

Medusa, who is an excellent incapper of old but very meh in new rules, sides to G9. Needs 7 to incap GL. Needs 7, rolls 6.

So Hal is on his stop click with a token; Kinchloe is out.

Ch’p (PC) @@ J4
Medusa @ G9
Steve Trevor (Allied soldier-2) H2
Allied Soldier J9
Allied Soldier I3
German soldier (Munich) @ I9 (stealth-Bats, PC from ranged, esd)
German soldier (Berlin) F6 (stealth Bats, PC from ranged, esd)
Antiope F2
Donna Troy 31b (Lasso of Truth) @@ G9
Flash 53 7 (PC) G3
Batman (stealthed) @@ F7
Wonder Woman 062 (Amazon warrior-2) (Golden Armor) @@ F10
Amazon Warrior (PC from ranged Antiope) A15


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Leadership
Diana 6
Maxie 5
Hades 6

Geez. Only two of them can get a freebie. I'll do a Minotaur and a Soul and let Diana take a token off Hogan

Miss Martian Outwits CR on Wonder Woman. Hal Outwits her Invulnerable from the armor.

Hogan moves to K16. Sarge grants him PDTA.

GL to breakaway? Gets 1. Darn. Attacks Wonder Woman, AV12 on DV18. Gets 12. All right! 4 to Wonder Woman and KB to E9

Max Outwits the ESD on the Amazon next to him.

Miss Martian attacks that Amazon. AV10 on DV16. Gets 10. 2 to her.

Maxie's Minotaur Charges to B14 on the Amazon, AV10 on DV16. Gets 7. KOs her.

First Tortured Soul moves/Sides to H11

Circe TKs Hades to B17

Sargent moves to C17

Hades on Wonder Woman, AV10 on DV17, hindering and PDTA cancel out. He gets a 7 and KOs her. Wow. I actually KO a real figure.

The Tortured Soul he just brought in Sides and moves to E9 to block her.

Wonder Woman KOd and blocked. The Amazon Warrior KOd.

BGWW105A Miss Martian @ E13
WW80009 Circe @@ H23
WW80002 Allied Soldier (Hogan) @@ K16 (2)
WW80012 Sargent Steel @ C17 (7)
WW80018 Diana Prince (DMA Agents: 2) I15 (Stealth)
WW80051 Green Lantern @@ G11 (5)
WW80027 Maxie Zeus (Minotaur: 2) E14
-Minotaur @ B14
WW80057 Hades (Tortured Souls: 6) @@ B17 (3)
-Tortured Soul 1 @ H11
-Tortured Soul 2 @ E9
WW80047 Maxwell Lord A16 (Stealth)(4)

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"I hate to do this to you of all people, but that's the superhero biz. Teammates one day, enemies the next," Hal said, He jabbed at Wonder Woman, but used his ring to cover his fist with one ten times as large. Hurt, she crunched back into the wall.

"Excellent. Wonder Woman has foiled my plans too many times. Now is my chance to get her back," Hades said, moving to finish Wonder Woman before she could recover. "There will be a special place in my trophy case in the Underworld for you, Diana of Themyscira."

"Not sure I can help Green Lantern, but I can help Maxwell Lord. Ew," Miss Martian said as she hit the Amazon menacing him with her Martian vision.

"Go, my brutish slave. Finish her," Maxie Zeus sent his minotaur out to attack the Amazon.

I'm sad to lose WW. She's obviously a great piece with all her shifting focus goodness.

Before I give in. Both WW and warrior get ss rolls for her ta. Also I don't think you noted she shifted to WW062 with a 19dv.

WW herself can't reroll for Hal's 12 so she takes 3 (she has toughness) for that.

Next up is the attack on the warrior. SS is 1. Miss Martian's 2 stands.

Warrior rolls for minotaur's attack: 2. Her ko is official.

Diana rolls for Hade's attack. Gets 6 ss roll.

So that changes your turn slightly. WW isn't koed, just takes 3.

Let me know if I'm missing something. I suspected a lot more of this kind of slowdown with new figures, new rules and such a mess of a map.

I was wondering why we'd bother with indom or wp anymore. However I think we're missing (just to confuse us more).

WP is clear. Roll a die and 5 or 6 removes a token.

Indom, I thought was the same, but it confused me.

Anyway many figures in this set have indom so we'll need to address that.

https://wizkids.com/heroclix/2021/01...omitable-knot/

Only change necessary is that I'll pull back the last Tortured Soul and leave him in E17 where he was brought in - actually I will Sidestep him to D15 first.

Regarding Indom - they've retired Indom as a special ability. It's not that many figures in the set have the Indom symbol. Every figure in the set does. But it does nothing. It's just the new default Defense symbol now. So when we finish this game and get into our discussion of the rules, and whether we want to grandfather Indom, if we do there will need to be a demarcation on grandfathering only on pre-WW80 figures.

BGWW105A Miss Martian @ E13
WW80009 Circe @@ H23
WW80002 Allied Soldier (Hogan) @@ K16 (2)
WW80012 Sargent Steel @ C17 (7)
WW80018 Diana Prince (DMA Agents: 2) I15 (Stealth)
WW80051 Green Lantern @@ G11 (5)
WW80027 Maxie Zeus (Minotaur: 2) E14
-Minotaur @ B14
WW80057 Hades (Tortured Souls: 6) @@ B17 (3)
-Tortured Soul 1 @ H11
-Tortured Soul 2 D15
WW80047 Maxwell Lord A16 (Stealth)(4)

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So amazon warrior koed. 3 to WW.

WW, Steve, Antiope, leadership. 6,5,6. Awesome. I hope that's not all of my 6s and 5s.

I can only squeeze in one, WW makes an amazion warrior in D10.

Donna free incap on Tortured. Needs 4, rolls 7. SS is 1. Kos him.

I have figures that could do things but I'm totally stymied as to how to make anything happen. Between stealth, lack of proper movement or hindering avoiding powers I'm stuck.


Ch’p (PC) H4
Medusa G9
Steve Trevor (Allied soldier-2) H2
Allied Soldier J9
Allied Soldier I3
German soldier (Munich) I9 (stealth-Bats, PC from ranged, esd)
German soldier (Berlin) F6 (stealth Bats, PC from ranged, esd)
Antiope F2
Donna Troy 31b (Lasso of Truth) H10
Flash 53 7 (PC) G3
Batman (stealthed) F7
Wonder Woman 062 (Amazon warrior-3) (Golden Armor) (3) E10
Amazon Warrior (PC from ranged Antiope) D10


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Leadership
Diana 6
Maxie 1
Hades 4

New DMA Agent from that.

Minotaur Charges to D10 on the new Amazon, AV10 on DV16 +2. Gets 5

Max tries Mind Control on the Amazon, AV10 on DV16 +2. Gets 8. Amazon PCs that to 4.

Maxie Sdes to C16 on Wonder Woman, AV10 on DV19 +1. Ouch. Well, it can happen. Get 4. Not this turn, not this action.

Sarge moves/Sides to J15

Miss Martian to J13, Outwits Donna's Origin of Wonder Girl SP.

Diana on her, AV12 on DV18 +1 for hindering, -2 for PD. Gets 6. Enough for a hit for 3.

DMA on Donna, aV11 on DV18 +1/-1. Get 10. 2 more to her, but not quite a KO

So 5 to Donna from that turn

BGWW105A Miss Martian @@ J13
WW80009 Circe H23
WW80002 Allied Soldier (Hogan) K16 (2)
WW80012 Sargent Steel @@ J15 (7)
WW80018 Diana Prince (DMA Agents: 3) @ I15 (Stealth)
-DMA Agent @ H15 (Stealth)
WW80051 Green Lantern G11 (5)
WW80027 Maxie Zeus (Minotaur: 2) @ C14
-Minotaur @@ C10
WW80057 Hades (Tortured Souls: 6) B17 (3)
-Tortured Soul 2 D15
WW80047 Maxwell Lord @ A16 (Stealth)(4)

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"Donna."

"Diana."

"It comes down to us."

"It does. You taught me well."

"You were a good student. But time for the exams."

"Bring it."

She did.

You're confusing Donnas. I'm playing 31b. I'll assume you mean to outwit her invulnerable.

You're also forgetting the new WW ta. Donna could maybe evade. First attack: 1. Nope. She takes 3 from the first attack.

SS from DMA is 2. Moot point.

Leadership won't help me this turn.

Warrior to break? 1. Attacks Minotaur. Needs 7, rolls 9. 2 to it.

Bats sides to E8 on Hal. Needs 7, rolls 7. A ko...of an actual character!

Donna sides to G11 to block.

Ch'p tks Flash to H6.

He tks Donna to I14.

She has incap plus the lasso. She also has two targetswhich I think is valid for close combat. You can correct me. Attacks Diana and DMA. Gets 9. SS is 2. A token to Diana and DMA. Her free lasso could give a token to someone but all 4 targets have two tokens, there's no benefit.

This game is tricky and I am enjoying it. But you can't play it on autopilot.

WW uses defend on Bats.

To recap: GL is koed and blocked, 2 to Minotaur, a token to Diana and DMA

Ch’p (PC) @ H4
Medusa G9
Steve Trevor (Allied soldier-2) H2
Allied Soldier J9
Allied Soldier I3
German soldier (Munich) I9 (stealth-Bats, PC from ranged, esd)
German soldier (Berlin) F6 (stealth Bats, PC from ranged, esd)
Antiope F2
Donna Troy 31b (Lasso of Truth) (5) @ i14
Flash 53 7 (PC) @ H6
Batman (stealthed) @ E8
Wonder Woman 062 (Amazon warrior-3) (Golden Armor) (3) E10
Amazon Warrior (PC from ranged Antiope) @ D10


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