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Yeah basically his range for summoning constructs was either an errada and was intended to have 6 range from the original design. (Mine too has a range of zero) or it was a designer decision to make larfleeze more playable...in any which case playtesting would've prevented the confusion in the first place. As the few time I used larfleeze I had to place my tokens adjacent to him. When flinging that same object six squares away as a FREE ACTION then dealing poison immediately afterwards would've sweetened his playability when I used him. This figure remains one of my top ten D.C. game pieces.....having said that I have a question.
I realize it has already been discussed(I read the entire forum eventually) that larfleeze cannot surround a single opponent with five Orange constructs and deal him five individual poison damage.....but what if he had one construct adjacent on one side of the bored and another also adjacent on the opposite? Since each individual opponent is considered adjacent to larfleeze....would they both receive poison damage? Its not 'stacking' multiple poison actions.......its dealing poison damage to opponents that are adjacent to larfleeze. I aplogise for the wordy question but any answer on this matter would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Yes, he can poison multiple characters with different Orange Constructs as well as any character adjacent to him.
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When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
(Defense) Orange Lackeys: Whenever Larfleeze would be dealt damage, you may deal up to 3 of the damage to a single adjacent Orange Construct object and then remove it from the map.
If Larfleeze gained a damage reducing power does it reduce the damage Larfleeze is taking after the 3 damage is dealt to the constuct ?
(Defense) Orange Lackeys: Whenever Larfleeze would be dealt damage, you may deal up to 3 of the damage to a single adjacent Orange Construct object and then remove it from the map.
If Larfleeze gained a damage reducing power does it reduce the damage Larfleeze is taking after the 3 damage is dealt to the constuct ?
From the Rulebook:
If multiple game effects would allow for damage dealt to a character to be reduced or ignored, only one game effect can activate, to be decided by the character’s controlling player.
Since it is not being ignored or Reduced, you can still use a damage reducer.
Quote : Originally Posted by Necromagus
When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
(Defense) Orange Lackeys: Whenever Larfleeze would be dealt damage, you may deal up to 3 of the damage to a single adjacent Orange Construct object and then remove it from the map.
If Larfleeze gained a damage reducing power does it reduce the damage Larfleeze is taking after the 3 damage is dealt to the constuct ?
Quote : Originally Posted by MisterId
From the Rulebook:
If multiple game effects would allow for damage dealt to a character to be reduced or ignored, only one game effect can activate, to be decided by the character’s controlling player.
Since it is not being ignored or Reduced, you can still use a damage reducer.
Note that there is no choice for the order here. The dealing of damage to the construct happens before any damage reducer would be applied.
If he has charge, could he move 1/2 his speed-effectively staying in his starting area-then punch through a construct? What about hypersonic speed? Would it keep moving after an attack if he still had movement left?
If he has super strength-from the suit of sorrows or gizmo-what happens to the object? And what if its a dumpster?
What about the grapnel gun-would Larfleeze stay next to elevated and hop up on it to move a construct and then make a close combat action? Or would the construct have to change elevations? Or could it be either?
How about the rebreather? If he was in water could he move and attack as if he had hypersonic speed but through a construct?
If he has charge, could he move 1/2 his speed-effectively staying in his starting area-then punch through a construct? What about hypersonic speed? Would it keep moving after an attack if he still had movement left?
Yes to all. Larfleeze close-combat attack can be made against characters adjacent to a orange construct, nothing else changes.
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If he has super strength-from the suit of sorrows or gizmo-what happens to the object? And what if its a dumpster?
The object used druing the attack is destroyed normally. If he cannot be destroyed, it's placed in a square adjacent to the target, which can be far away from Larfleeze if he attacked "through" a construct.
Quote : Originally Posted by peeterparkker
What about the grapnel gun-would Larfleeze stay next to elevated and hop up on it to move a construct and then make a close combat action? Or would the construct have to change elevations? Or could it be either?
Once again, it's easy : Larfleeze is the one who has to make the action, he has to move and if he ends up on elevated terrain he can attack for free, only he can do it through a construct.
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How about the rebreather? If he was in water could he move and attack as if he had hypersonic speed but through a construct?
Absolutly.
You know everyone loves to be the villain. Hugh Grant
If he has charge, could he move 1/2 his speed-effectively staying in his starting area-then punch through a construct? What about hypersonic speed? Would it keep moving after an attack if he still had movement left?
If he has super strength-from the suit of sorrows or gizmo-what happens to the object? And what if its a dumpster?
What about the grapnel gun-would Larfleeze stay next to elevated and hop up on it to move a construct and then make a close combat action? Or would the construct have to change elevations? Or could it be either?
How about the rebreather? If he was in water could he move and attack as if he had hypersonic speed but through a construct?
inquiring minds wanna know! i wanna know....
Do note that he moves the constructs after actions resolve. So you can not move the constructs before the attack of Charge or Hypersonic Speed.
This just got whacky. It was ruled that you are friendly to yourself (ie dormammu does not take mystic damage as well as his friends). That said, if larfleeze is adjacent to a construct, isn't he technically adjacent to himself and this a friendly character-so he could use support on himself??
This just got whacky. It was ruled that you are friendly to yourself (ie dormammu does not take mystic damage as well as his friends). That said, if larfleeze is adjacent to a construct, isn't he technically adjacent to himself and this a friendly character-so he could use support on himself??
It's always been the case that a character is friendly to itself. That said, there's also a line in the rules that says a character is never adjacent to itself, so Larfleeze would not be able to use Support on himself.
Also, Support isn't a close combat attack, so it wouldn't work anyway.
Quote : Originally Posted by Magnito
In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
Quote : Originally Posted by Masenko
Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
Quote : Originally Posted by Thrumble Funk
Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.
Do note that he moves the constructs after actions resolve. So you can not move the constructs before the attack of Charge or Hypersonic Speed.
so actually, the answer is no. They could however, attack, then move if larfleeze used any of the move and attack powers. He charges for example; move him 1/2 his speed, attack (through a construct), and now that actions are resolved the construct moves 1/2 his speed. Weird.
It's always been the case that a character is friendly to itself. That said, there's also a line in the rules that says a character is never adjacent to itself, so Larfleeze would not be able to use Support on himself.
Also, Support isn't a close combat attack, so it wouldn't work anyway.
Ah. That would've just been silly, now wouldn't it? :D
so actually, the answer is no. They could however, attack, then move if larfleeze used any of the move and attack powers. He charges for example; move him 1/2 his speed, attack (through a construct), and now that actions are resolved the construct moves 1/2 his speed. Weird.
Ah. That would've just been silly, now wouldn't it? :D
That is correct, he can still attack through them and move them afterwards, but he can not move them mid action.
It comes up more with the NML Poison Ivy, since her ability doesn't specify the actions she can use, so she can use everything through her objects. But since the rules state you can't be adjacent to yourself she can't do it either, but she can do it to other characters through her Plant objects.
I haven's seen this through my search, so I'll ask:
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ORANGE LACKEYS: Whenever Larfleeze would be dealt damage, you may deal up to 3 of the damage to a single adjacent Orange Construct object and then remove it from the map.
If Larfleeze gets a damage reducer through some means (Iron Man's Suitcase, Skadi's Hammer, the corresponding click on the Infinity Gauntlet, etc.), can he, first, transfer 3 damage to one of the constructs, and then, reduce the remaining damage before taking the damage?
I know he can't reduce first because the power says "Whenever Larfleeze would be dealt damage", so he has to first go through the transfer part, but, without being 100% positive, I think he should be able to reduce the remaining damage, no?
I haven's seen this through my search, so I'll ask:
If Larfleeze gets a damage reducer through some means (Iron Man's Suitcase, Skadi's Hammer, the corresponding click on the Infinity Gauntlet, etc.), can he, first, transfer 3 damage to one of the constructs, and then, reduce the remaining damage before taking the damage?
I know he can't reduce first because the power says "Whenever Larfleeze would be dealt damage", so he has to first go through the transfer part, but, without being 100% positive, I think he should be able to reduce the remaining damage, no?
The remaining damage dealt (if any) is indeed dealt to Larfleeze. And if he has some way to further reduce that damage, he can do so.