That's the way Hair10 told us it worked at the Pre-release....

CSA Team Ability cannot be Copied.

No clarification to the Unstoppable! Feat to actually make it unstoppable.



The Map FAQ still prevents the figure, with that feat, to destroy a wall and move through it in the same action.

Eh?

Never said anything about CSA.

And I didn't even talk about wildcarding in that part of the post.

If that's what was actually intended, that makes it clear. If that was intended, then why did it not say so in the FAQ entry?

The FF Feat isn't broken at 0 points - you're already paying for the most expensive TA in Marvel as a prerequisite.

What is broken is the Wildcards - but that's a general problem. The FF Feat is just the newest form of abuse for them, but they've always been too powerful.

OK, so Thunderbolts doesn't let you mimic a Feat card TA... however... someone throws on a FF member w/card and declares Spidey or MoD TA and it's all legal. I guess it's nice to see that they're trying to help fix the problem, but it just doesn't fix anything, really.

Anyway, it's very nice to see a new FAQ! Thanks WK!

I cannot see how these are consistent with the ability of giant figures to make close combat attacks against figures that are within two squares...unless "one square away" means different things to different people.

This is going to be really absurd if giant characters can attack through/around walls.

But it does raise the interesting situation:

Step 1. Build a team that includes Hawkeye and Invisible Girl, both with their respective TAs.

Step 2. Assign the Thunderbolts TA to the team. ALL Avengers now have the original FF TA.

Step 3. Assign The new FF TA to the team. ALL FFers would now be forced to be new FFers.

I think this would require at least one TRUE FFer, otherwise you couldn't assign the card, and you would need the FF card, but I think it would then apply to all the Avengers on the team as well.

I do think it was good that they emphasised UNMODIFIED defense values for the FF ability. No more ICwOing Invisible woman up, or anything like that.

Also, they REALLY need to clarify Juggernaut's AEs, the R and E should have green bases, not the V.

Yeah. What can't you do? You can't use this with doubletime to pass by opposing characters, and you can't bypass one character on the way to another. The first opposing character you base you can attack and keep moving, but that's it. That Is an interesting mechanic, BTW, making an attack (regardless of how futile) just to get past a blocking opponent.

Actually, Thunderbolts explicitly bars users from copying wildcard abilities like MoD or Spiderman. So that one's shot down, too.

You can't do your build scenario...I went round and round with this awhile back with big rules people...I can't remember exactly why but lemme see if I can figure it out...It may be because the Avengers are still Avengers so they don't actually apply to the FF feat...they aren't actual Fantasic Four. I don't know other than that but I do know for sure you can't do that.

I agree it is an interesting mechanic, and actually something you see in comics alot of times...

But the FF TA already costs so much that making the feat card cost points wouldn't of fixed anything at all...it was meant to make the points that go to the TA on those characters worth something.

I mean come on a 19 defense isn't THAT hard to het nowadays...Tons of characters with 11 attack out there,a few good cheap ones too....And that only takes an 8 to get....add in the numerous PCers we have now and that isn't very hard to hit.



I don't see what your problem with the entry is. I thought it laid it out completely clear. When using move-and-attack you don't have to stop when adjacent to opposing characters, it says that....and that is all it says because that is all it needs to say. When you are moving you still have to stop next to adjacent characters when are non-flying and not using a power that lets you not stop, but when you are move-and-attacking you don't....and it says that with FAR less words but just as clearly in my opinion.

Ya'know, I'm really curious about this. I wouldn't think that this would need a ruling, unless Wizkids has something up there sleeves. If you think about it, this would fit perfectly for a double-base character that represents two individuals on a base instead of one. The Fenris twins come to mind.

"• Avengers characters using Thunderbolts may change their chosen team ability with each new round of a tournament."

This doesn't sound right to me. Once you enter a tourney using a feat aren't you obligated to keep it throughout all rounds? Why should this feat card be any different? Should this apply to the FF card, too?

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Step 1. Build a team that includes Hawkeye and Invisible Girl, both with their respective TAs.

Step 2. Assign the Thunderbolts TA to the team. ALL Avengers now have the original FF TA.

Step 3. Assign The new FF TA to the team. ALL FFers would now be forced to be new FFers.

I think this would require at least one TRUE FFer, otherwise you couldn't assign the card, and you would need the FF card, but I think it would then apply to all the Avengers on the team as well.


EXACTLY what I am saying. Darth Sabre, I am not saying you are wrong but we have declared the two sides to the argument. Wizkids will need to decide which way they want to go with it. I see what you are saying, but I think that their intent was to not have a team of Avengers declare Feat card team abilities. At least it sounds like they thought ahead!