"Regarding the creep, I never spoke to him about it. But considering that he'd be on the line for the answer, what would you expect him to say? If he were to say "gee, that looks bad, that's terrible!" what would the community response be? "WK should fix it!". Ok, go with that. Is there any way in the world that WK can fix it without diverting time/money/resources away from generating new money and therefore the bottom line? No. So taking any kind of stand would hurt. "

tidge already say so. with just have the dials to print in a website would had been half a solution, at least enough to considere that somebody care about the issue.

and about Karl (Hair10) he is an adopting father or 2 or more childrens (as far asI know) and that make him no less than a SAINT.

I thought we got rid of arch-enemies long time ago... :D

While I never had much interaction with him positively or negatively, I never quite got the hatred for him. It always seemed to me that he was an easy target the same way a head coach or a quarterback is on a football team. Are some of the bad things people say about him and attribute to him probably true? Sure. Is he the devil or solely responsible for the downfall of the game and/or modern society as a whole? That's pretty doubtful. Either way he's gone now and there's really no reason to rehash all the reasons some people hated him.

chase figures killed this game, period...if tuttle was the only person responsible for them, then IMO he was as bad as some people think.....bottom line, chase figures killed this game.....if you are going to have a collectable game, then make the pieces collectable.....

i said they would be the end of clix when they came out, and lo & behold shortly thereafter the game is in the dumper.....

Here is some points:

1. He was talking with people about the flight stand, did he take notes or write anything down? Or did he just listen, and then just "forgot" what he was told. Memory is very selective, note taking means you will be more on track then just using memory.

2. Tuttle's tone and the way he demean his customers was not good. You never treat your customers like children even if they are children. That's just customer service. If you do not understand that, "then you demonstrate you don't know how businesses operate."

3. As for Karl (Hair10) issue, from the grapevine I heard it was basically a personally clash. Something of the sort that he rub Tuttle the wrong way, again this is a rumor. No offence to you Hair10.

4. Heroclix sales was better, I have heard it go both ways. I heard heroclix sales were dropping, but I have no evidence this is true. I just do not know. Just like the statement that Mark brought Heroclix sales up, but without any evidence to back up that statement, that seems to me to be speculation on your part.
All I know is that Heroclix change dramatically in 2007 (from REV to 60), and little over 2 years time Topps closes down Wizkids. Did this have anything to do with it, it seems so, but with no evidence to back it up it is a speculation on my part.

5. The point that Mark didn't think the right to treat the product as "theirs but his", speaks volumes of his character.

Wait, you met a lot of married women who defend their bad husbands by saying it was Topps' fault?

Personally, he was a mixed bag. There were some very good things he did, and some very bad things. I think the good outweighs the bad, but the bad is a lot louder than the good, if that makes sense.

The thing is about all of this Tuttle stuff is that no matter what good folks say he did for the game, it's the bad stuff that sticks in people's heads. You ever notice that with your significant other or kids that one "I hate you" or something similar is much more memorable than 20 "I love yous"? Same with Tuttle. Right, wrong or indifferent, no matter whatever else he did for the game, it's those demeaning/belittling/patronizing comments that stick with me.

Could you get an avatar like ol_Dut's? At least when I scrolling past whatever foolishness you've posted, I'll feel I haven't wasted my all my time.

I agree with most of the points you made but I do have to strongly disagree with the above quoted point. I don't think the game needed to be 100% compatible with Heroclix to survive. I think the game was strong enough and fun enough game of it's own to survive without Heroclix's help. I know some people wanted the figures to be playable with their Heroclix figures, which is fine, but the game didn't need Heroclix to survive. I think what the game needed to survive was to get the rights to more reconizable characters, such as Leatherface, Pumkinhead, Hellraiser, or things like that, so to draw intrest to a game filled with mostly "generic" monster figures.

Thank you.

Speaking of GenCon, I hopefully am still going. The new job might interfere, but I'm pretty confident I can make it out there.

I might abbreviate some of my attendance, but it just wouldn't be right if I missed Groovy's Red-Eye Clix Tourney. Felt bad enough skipping it last year in favor of slaughtering orcs...