I think GA should just go ahead and reroll the attack with torch. If the attack succeeds, then there is no issue at all.

If the attack misses, then worry about if it is necessary to do a reroll.

I can see the merit in both arguments, but at least this way if the reroll is a hit there is no issue and the game can move on.

I think we're going to need a mod to step in. Whatever TVK or Tanis rules, I'll abide by it.

Either way, if Torch does hit, remember that Howard is on Space Terrain and will suffer knockback accordingly. That will avoid further slowdown when I get a chance to make my countermove (won't happen til late tonight at the earliest, as I'm out all day).

you are correct Howard and Saturn both perplexed the Defense to a 17. so howards attack missed, and the PC rolls were not necessary Johnny attacked and hit with the fourth roll (the second and third where void) and he hit.

the entire "my PC instructions were ignored" arguement is void since the attacked fail and no one would pc a miss on an opponents turn. but Johnny attack roll was a hit. if Johnny used the second attack roll which would have been his if Arelius noticed that the Duck had a 17 D,... he still would have hit.

game on

One last post and then I'm out the door. Really.

But what if the 2nd attack roll were still a miss? Would we be allowing that to be transferred to Johnny or would we be demanding a reroll?

Either way would imply there was some merit to considering the PCed roll as valid.

Since rolls cannot be transferred, a reroll would have applied there. So whether the 2nd attack roll hit or missed is besides the point; the PCed rolls were handled in error; therefore we treat the subsequent actions as erroneous.

Since Johnny's attack had nothing to do with the PC rolls that weren't supposed to be rolled, I don't see a reason to reroll Johnny's attack. True, we can't transfer rolls, but we're not transferring rolls here. Johnny rolled his own attack. Attacks are rerolled only if they're illegal or preceding illegal actions that affect the said attack. In this case, the illegal PC rolls did not affect Johnny's roll at all since Sable missed anyways. So I rule that Johnny's attack stands.

Back.

Ok. Knock Howard back 3 squares. GA, do you want to keep the rest of your move the same?

Only adjustment would be to have Reed move to C12 instead. That is all.

JLA Sat 5A:

(free) Saturn Girl perplexes GA's damage to 3.

(free) GA uses 1 CP token to up his range to 11.

1. GA uses Fusillade/Trick Shot to attack Crystal and Wyatt. Attack #1 is 12 on 18 for 3 on Crystal. 4+4 = 8 for 3. 1 SA to GA; 1 AST to SG and Aquaman. Crystal is knocked back to M7. Attack #2 is against Wyatt. 12 on 14. 2+4 = 6 for the KO. 1 SA and 1 KO to GA; 1 AST to Aquaman.

2. Black Cat to N14.

(free) 1 token to CP.

Harbinger will PC any successful attack she sees from Reed.

Justice League of America (Satellite Era) (home)

1) E Green Arrow* 70 pts (6/7) N16@
* Trick Shot 20 pts
[2 SA, 1 KO]
2) E Batman* (IO) 47 pts (6/6) O16
* Dissent 18 pts
3) R Harbinger 50 pts (4/6) M15
4) R Saturn Girl 44 pts (4/4) N15
[1 AST]
5) R Red Tornado 42 pts (6/6) O15
6) R Aquaman* (HT) 27 pts (6/6) O12 w/HO
* Contingency Plan 12 pts@@@
[2 AST]
7) E Howard the Duck 35 pts (1/5) F10
8) E Black Cat 32 pts (5/5) N14@

Total - 397 pts

vs

Fantastic Four (visitor)

A) V Thing* (SI) 100 pts (9/9) M9
2) V Human Torch* (CT) 73 pts (6/7) B10@@ SA:1
3) R Ult Mr. Fantastic (FF) 47 pts (6/6) C12@
4) R Black Panther 27 pts (5/5) B11
5) R Invisible Girl* 37 pts (5/5) B12
6) U Crystal* 62 pts (4/7) M7
7) E Silver Sable 43 pts (5/6) C11@@
8) Wyatt Wingfoot 6 pts (0/1) KOed
*ATA Fantastic Four

Total – 395 pts

HO: Aquaman, H8, K14
LO: I9, D17, N12

Map: Space

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils/...16y0&u8=x-28y2

BFC: Telekinetic Strain

When Telekinesis is used to move a character or object 6 or more squares, the character using Telekinesis is dealt 1 unavoidable damage after the movement is resolved.

Player 2, turn 5

Black panther will run over to D17 and outwit Green Arrow's RCE
Crystal will move to O11
Thing will go clobberin' time and move 4 squares to N13 hoping to hit Black cat 10av+roll(1,1) figs.
Reed will perplex down Howard's movement by 1

F4 members have 18 def
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Justice League of America (Satellite Era) (home)

1) E Green Arrow* 70 pts (6/7) N16@
* Trick Shot 20 pts
[2 SA, 1 KO]
2) E Batman* (IO) 47 pts (6/6) O16
* Dissent 18 pts
3) R Harbinger 50 pts (4/6) M15
4) R Saturn Girl 44 pts (4/4) N15
[1 AST]
5) R Red Tornado 42 pts (6/6) O15
6) R Aquaman* (HT) 27 pts (6/6) O12 w/HO
* Contingency Plan 12 pts@@@
[2 AST]
7) E Howard the Duck 35 pts (1/5) F10
8) E Black Cat 32 pts (5/5) N14@

Total - 397 pts

vs

Fantastic Four (visitor)

A) V Thing* (SI) 100 pts (8/9) N13@
2) V Human Torch* (CT) 73 pts (6/7) B10 SA:1
3) R Ult Mr. Fantastic (FF) 47 pts (6/6) C12
4) R Black Panther 27 pts (5/5) D17@
5) R Invisible Girl* 37 pts (5/5) B12
6) U Crystal* 62 pts (4/7) O11@
7) E Silver Sable 43 pts (5/6) C11
8) Wyatt Wingfoot 6 pts (0/1) KOed
*ATA Fantastic Four

Total – 395 pts

HO: Aquaman, H8, K14
LO: I9, D17, N12

Map: Space

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils/...16y0&u8=x-28y2

BFC: Telekinetic Strain

When Telekinesis is used to move a character or object 6 or more squares, the character using Telekinesis is dealt 1 unavoidable damage after the movement is resolved.
Official Fantasy Heroclix League Team: Justice League of America (Satellite Era)

This is why I do PC on a case-by-case basis, because when I don't, I miss totally obvious situations like that one.

JLA (Sat) 6A:

(free) Aquaman leads: 3.

(JLA) Saturn Girl picks up Batman and moves to O16, dropping at P15.

(free) SG plexes Aquaman's damage to 4.

(free) Batman outwits Thing's Invuln.

1. Harbinger uses "You are Needed" to switch places with Aquaman, her at O12, him at M15. She takes a click.

2. Reddy TKs Aquaman to O13.

(free) Aquaman takes 2 CP tokens to up his AV to 12.

3. Aquaman attacks Thing. 12 on 18 for 6. 1+4 = 5. Harbinger PCs that to 5+2 = 7, hitting. 1 SA to Aquaman; 1 AST to Batman, Harbinger, Saturn Girl. Heavy object is destroyed.

(JLA) Black Cat to P14, pushing.

4. Howard the Duck takes a CP token to up his movement to 5. That, plus the +2 from space terrain allows him to move to M16.

PC on a case-by-case basis.

Justice League of America (Satellite Era) (home)

1) E Green Arrow* 70 pts (6/7) N16
* Trick Shot 20 pts
[2 SA, 1 KO]
2) E Batman* (IO) 47 pts (6/6) P15
* Dissent 18 pts
[1 AST]
3) R Harbinger 50 pts (3/6) O12@
[1 AST]
4) R Saturn Girl 44 pts (4/4) O16@
[2 AST]
5) R Red Tornado 42 pts (6/6) O15@
6) R Aquaman* (HT) 27 pts (6/6) O13@
* Contingency Plan 12 pts
[1 SA, 2 AST]
7) E Howard the Duck 35 pts (1/5) M16@
8) E Black Cat 32 pts (4/5) P14@@

Total - 397 pts

vs

Fantastic Four (visitor)

A) V Thing* (SI) 100 pts (2/9) N13@
2) V Human Torch* (CT) 73 pts (6/7) B10 SA:1
3) R Ult Mr. Fantastic (FF) 47 pts (6/6) C12
4) R Black Panther 27 pts (5/5) D17@
5) R Invisible Girl* 37 pts (5/5) B12
6) U Crystal* 62 pts (4/7) O11@
7) E Silver Sable 43 pts (5/6) C11
8) Wyatt Wingfoot 6 pts (0/1) KOed
*ATA Fantastic Four

Total – 395 pts

HO: Aquaman, H8, K14
LO: I9, D17, N12

Map: Space

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils/...16y0&u8=x-28y2

BFC: Telekinetic Strain

When Telekinesis is used to move a character or object 6 or more squares, the character using Telekinesis is dealt 1 unavoidable damage after the movement is resolved.

First case this round, Crystal vs Harbringer. Use PC??

Yes, if she is hit.

PLayer 2, turn 6

Crystal will try some inhuman moves to try and hit Harbringer 8av+roll(5,2)=15; hits but Harbinger tries to save herself with PC to 4,5 still a hit and for 2 damage. Pushing.
Silver sable will move to K14 (Avenger's TA)
Reed will perplex up Johnny's range to 11
Johnny will running shot to G14 and fire some flame at Howard 9av+roll(6,6)=Fried Duck anyone. Overkill.
Black panther will outwit Green Arrow's RCE.
Thing is feeling down on his luck but will press on with willpower and try to clobber Aquaman 8av+roll (5,3)=16 hits for 4

F4 members have 18 def
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Justice League of America (Satellite Era) (home)

1) E Green Arrow* 70 pts (6/7) N16 (RCE outwitted)
* Trick Shot 20 pts
[2 SA, 1 KO]
2) E Batman* (IO) 47 pts (6/6) P15
* Dissent 18 pts
[1 AST]
3) R Harbinger 50 pts (1/6) O12@
[1 AST]
4) R Saturn Girl 44 pts (4/4) O16@
[2 AST]
5) R Red Tornado 42 pts (6/6) O15@
6) R Aquaman* (HT) 27 pts (2/6) O13@
* Contingency Plan 12 pts
[1 SA, 2 AST]
7) E Howard the Duck 35 pts (0/5) KOKO (Critical)
8) E Black Cat 32 pts (4/5) P14@@

Total - 397 pts

vs

Fantastic Four (visitor)

A) V Thing* (SI) 100 pts (2/9) N13@@ SA: 1
2) V Human Torch* (CT) 73 pts (6/7) G14@ SA:2, KO:1
3) R Ult Mr. Fantastic (FF) 47 pts (6/6) C12 AST: 1
4) R Black Panther 27 pts (5/5) D17
5) R Invisible Girl* 37 pts (5/5) B12
6) U Crystal* 62 pts (3/7) O11@@ SA:1
7) E Silver Sable 43 pts (5/6) K14@
8) Wyatt Wingfoot 6 pts (0/1) KOed
*ATA Fantastic Four

Total – 395 pts

HO: Aquaman, H8, K14
LO: I9, D17, N12

Map: Space

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils/...16y0&u8=x-28y2

BFC: Telekinetic Strain

When Telekinesis is used to move a character or object 6 or more squares, the character using Telekinesis is dealt 1 unavoidable damage after the movement is resolved

JLA (Sat) 7A:

1. Red Tornado pushes to TK Batman to L14.

(free) Batman turns off stealth.

2. Batman attacks Sable. 10 on 16 for 2. 1+2 = 3. Black Cat PCs that to a 6+6 = 12. Sable takes 3, plus KB to H14. 1 SA to Batman; 1 AST to Red Tornado and Black Cat.

(free) SG perplexes GA's range to 11.

3. GA will fusillade on Thing and Sable. Attack #1 is 11 on 18 on Thing. 3+4 = 7, hitting for the KO. 1 SA and 1 KO to GA. Attack #2 is on Sable. 11 on 14 for 2. 2+3 = 5, hitting. 1 SA and 1 KO to GA; 1 AST to SG.

(free) Batman outwits Johnny Storm's Running Shot. He gains 1 DFD.

4. Aquaman pushes to move to K15.

Justice League of America (Satellite Era) (home)

1) E Green Arrow* 70 pts (6/7) N16@
* Trick Shot 20 pts
[4 SA, 3 KO]
2) E Batman* (IO) 47 pts (6/6) L14@
* Dissent 18 pts
[1 SA, 1 AST, 1 DFD]
3) R Harbinger 50 pts (1/6) O12
[1 AST]
4) R Saturn Girl 44 pts (4/4) O16
[3 AST]
5) R Red Tornado 42 pts (5/6) O15@@
[1 AST]
6) R Aquaman* (HT) 27 pts (1/6) K15@@
* Contingency Plan 12 pts
[1 SA, 2 AST]
7) E Howard the Duck 35 pts (0/5) KOKO (Critical)
8) E Black Cat 32 pts (4/5) P14
[1 AST]

Total - 397 pts

vs

Fantastic Four (visitor)

A) V Thing* (SI) 100 pts (0/9) KOed SA: 1 Injury incurred
2) V Human Torch* (CT) 73 pts (6/7) G14@ SA:2, KO:1 RS OWed
3) R Ult Mr. Fantastic (FF) 47 pts (6/6) C12 AST: 1
4) R Black Panther 27 pts (5/5) D17
5) R Invisible Girl* 37 pts (5/5) B12
6) U Crystal* 62 pts (3/7) O11@@ SA:1
7) E Silver Sable 43 pts (0/6) KOed Injury incurred
8) Wyatt Wingfoot 6 pts (0/1) KOed
*ATA Fantastic Four

Total – 395 pts

HO: Aquaman, H8, K14
LO: I9, D17, N12

Map: Space

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils/...16y0&u8=x-28y2

BFC: Telekinetic Strain

When Telekinesis is used to move a character or object 6 or more squares, the character using Telekinesis is dealt 1 unavoidable damage after the movement is resolved

Player 2, turn 7

Sue will move to H8
Reed will move to F14
Black panther will outwit Green Arrows RCE

F4 members have 18 def
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Justice League of America (Satellite Era) (home)

1) E Green Arrow* 70 pts (6/7) N16@
* Trick Shot 20 pts
[4 SA, 3 KO]
2) E Batman* (IO) 47 pts (6/6) L14@
* Dissent 18 pts
[1 SA, 1 AST, 1 DFD]
3) R Harbinger 50 pts (1/6) O12
[1 AST]
4) R Saturn Girl 44 pts (4/4) O16
[3 AST]
5) R Red Tornado 42 pts (5/6) O15@@
[1 AST]
6) R Aquaman* (HT) 27 pts (1/6) K15@@
* Contingency Plan 12 pts
[1 SA, 2 AST]
7) E Howard the Duck 35 pts (0/5) KOKO (Critical)
8) E Black Cat 32 pts (4/5) P14
[1 AST]

Total - 397 pts

vs

Fantastic Four (visitor)

A) V Thing* (SI) 100 pts (0/9) KOed SA: 1 Injury incurred
2) V Human Torch* (CT) 73 pts (6/7) G14 SA:2, KO:1 RS OWed
3) R Ult Mr. Fantastic (FF) 47 pts (6/6) F14@ AST: 1
4) R Black Panther 27 pts (5/5) D17
5) R Invisible Girl* 37 pts (5/5) H8@
6) U Crystal* 62 pts (3/7) O11 SA:1
7) E Silver Sable 43 pts (0/6) KOed Injury incurred
8) Wyatt Wingfoot 6 pts (0/1) KOed
*ATA Fantastic Four

Total – 395 pts

HO: Aquaman, H8, K14
LO: I9, D17, N12

Map: Space

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils/...16y0&u8=x-28y2

BFC: Telekinetic Strain

When Telekinesis is used to move a character or object 6 or more squares, the character using Telekinesis is dealt 1 unavoidable damage after the movement is resolved