I agree. My Parents paid over 100 euros to get me the old galactus (for my birthday). I won the new Galactus and bought the Starro when he became freely available. A friend of me won the starro in the tournament. Now we both have a starro and we both have the new Big G. Is anyone of us peeved that the other one got the same figure also?? NO!! One of us had to pay for it the other WON IT!!

call me a sentimental p.....y but I still know I won the new Big G that makes him special in my book. Rex Mason from CD was my first tourney win and he is still a special fig for me

to use the phrase in my sig: This is my Rex/Big G/Starro etc.. there are many others like it but this one is mine

would I be peeved if they rerelease the old Big G for lets say Idontknow 40 $?? No!! I once paid 20 euros for a NGN fig that a few weeks later got an ebay value of 5. was I mad?? No!!

Why?? The Value of our figs is like at the stock market. you cannot tell where it will be in some weeks.

(for sake of space here's a link to the long post I'm responding to for those who came in late)
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpo...42&postcount=1


Before I start, understand this, I am only a casual player and have never played at a venue and currently have no idea where a venue would be in my area.

I have no problems with people who wish to play at these but the rare times I ventured out to one I was repulsed by the behavior I found. Not to mention I prefer the looser way I and my friends play.

so with that in mind- here's my thoughts on the initial post.

1. Wow. To me this just reeks of selfishness. Congrats, you won a prize- which is a playing piece in said game and not a trophy or something- now please explain WHY I should be unable to purchase one? It's not spitting in your face, it's being a sensible business to put something like this on the market (especially if you consider the cost to tool one of those guys), it's a game and unless said prize is a unique character I can't see why it wouldn't be mass released.

Honestly, I'd be all for ALL exclusives and tournament prize figures eventually get wide release so we can ALL ENJOY THEM.

2. .... You know you're not obligated to buy anything right? This was a bonus and odds are WK did their best to get them out there. Honestly I would've made them a mail-away or special pack (like the old 3D objects of way back when) in order to let everyone get a chance to own them. I'm sorry you inflated sense of entitlement causes you think poorly of the company though. If it is such a problem- stop buying their product. There, that was simple.

3. Not the biggest fan of chase figures myself. Can't get into anything that encourages scalpers really. But I can't argue this either. Although, if you can stomach the complete gamble of blind buying boosters I wonder why this bothers you?

4. What should be done is this (in my opinion of course) Just package it with the brick. This way those of us who purchase it online don't end up being screwed over.

5. Can't argue this at all- same goes for the Halo ones. The people I play with use these guys in games we play- after we created custom dials for them.

Inflated sense of entitlement? Are you on drugs? I never said that Wizkids owed me a Prize Kit. I do like how you think prize kits should be mail-aways or special packs, lol. Did you even bother to read what I posted in #2?

He meant the items be made available as mail-aways separately, not that prizes would have to be mailed out.

No need for the, "Are you on, I do like you how you, did you even bother", and all after misunderstanding the guy.

Lighten up a little. You probably want to allow contradicting opinions without getting Boosnickerty also. People tend not to like that.

I'm not sure that's true. The most recent new players we've had started out buying bulk loads of cheap older pieces. Our very most recent player got into the game because he found a large collection of older pieces (almost nothing with cards) at a flea market and picked them up, then was excited to find other people playing them when he passed by us at the mall. He's been a regular ever since.

New players get confused about whether pieces they have are retired or not, as the set symbols are just about the least important thing to focus on on the dials in any other aspect of game play.

Thanks to Golden Age play, pieces are never retired. While it's not necessary to have pieces from any of the older sets, with the proper support (Enhancement, Perplex) and lucky rolls, any figure is capable of greatness.

Our newest three players (well, our only new players since the return) also began in this manner. Our shop owner was able to get 2 cases old boosters of Icons that could be sold to us at $2/booster with him still netting a profit to run the business. That was as awesome as a new player could hope for, walking straight into the classic figures list without all the obscures to use as a base to their collection. Now they've each purchased a nice amount of HoT and B&B, but I seriously doubt we would have sold them into the game if it hadn't been for an affordable way to come in and have some options. Few people enjoy fielding an identical team week after week, and nobody I play with wanted to start a new game by sinking $200 into it.

Come to think of it, when I started a few years ago, it was Hypertime and Indyclix that were available for a few bucks per booster. I bought the new stuff, but I padded my collection a ton with the older stuff.

When I consider an "F-rated decision", I would weigh out the amount of people who benefit from the decision versus the amount of people who suffer from it. Golden Years Retirement Home benefits whom? Exactly how many of those awesome figures of yesteryear hold up against the newest bad daddies? How difficult is it to obtain them if you're a new player?

[A quick trip to eBay just showed Veteran Icons Superman going for $.99, R Lockjaw for $.49, CJ Amazo for $1.25, Jinx REV for $.99, CT Sue Storm LE for $4.99, Black Adam E&V for $5.48, Firelord REV for $.99, and Supernova Unique Thanos for under $10. Aside from the KC guys, I really wasn't able to find a single one of those old awesome peices I used to dread facing that wasn't readily available for cheaper than any Modern Age SR, and this is without remotely shopping around.]

The power creep of the game generally markets the newer figures well enough, with new sets constantly releasing figures that are more powerful, more economical, and more desireable than any of the Golden Age figures. So why is it nessesary for them to be forceably retired? Isn't it enough to have them obsoleted in gameplay to a non-competitive level; do we have to have our options for theme teams destroyed because we're limited to the newer (and smaller) sets?

I've yet to find any examples of people who benefit from retirement, but I know plenty of people who suffer from it. Playing options aside, ignoring the money I put into figures that I now cannot play, forgetting about theme teams and specific figures that cannot be found in Modern Age, I would still be against retirement for the simple reason of housing. Heroclix are not Magic Cards that I can put into a binder on a shelf; Heroclix take up two entire shelving units in my basement. Even to justify all the room they take up, they need to be allowed to be played.

Honestly, who benefits from retirement? It seems like a massive F-finger to everyone who owns anything pre-Avengers.

Valid points, but myopic. You're only paying attention to one aspect of Modern Age. Modern Age is so much more than retirement: it's cutting out the clutter.

Feats, BFC's, Event Dials, these are all great for the veteran competitive player, but they confuse the hell out of newer players. There is none of that in Modern Age. Even better, you can ignore retirement when you schedule MA events if that works for you. It's what I do.

Just as an aside to put your anecdotes into perspective:

-I have scoured my city and surrounding areas, and have only found a handful of pre-Avengers boosters. I would love to get my hands on the old stuff, but it's not readily available here. The old stuff is all full price around here as well.

-You claim that the old pieces don't hold up to the new, but that's a gross oversimplification. But what about the old player with a swarm of R hookers and R Black Panthers? Old pieces tend to combo much better in the support roles, and lots of times new players just don't have the collection to match up. Retirement levels the playing field to some extent if that works for your venue. If not, leave it.

Just do what works for your venue. Wizkids have said the same thing themselves.

We've kind of stopped paying attention to what you post because every time you do, you say things like:

To quote you yet again:

You left off:

Well, that's why I referred specifically to retirement, not "modern age". The rest of the modern age format does strike me as a good idea for new players.

Yes, well, there's one store in Orlando that's still selling old stuff at full price (they still have Crimson Skies starters at full price!), but we don't buy stuff from them for exactly that reason.

Yes, back when we were officially judges and games were reported to their network and we got prize packs for free, I was happy with letting them decide the formats of the games. These days, not so much. We mixed up the format of the games, we're ignoring golden/modern (though we'll be implementing parts of modern we like next set), etc.

I posted those because of what was said against me didn't make sense or was a lie. The one guy compared Starro to chases which I don't think is fair or accurate and the guy I asked if he was one drugs said I had a sense of entitlement in which I clearly think I never once stated I did. I have no problem with a little competitive banter.

My question to you is, did actually read the posts I responded to or did you just collect what a said in an effort to sound witty? If you had read what I was responding to, maybe you would have seen why I said what I did. Reading your post makes me think you just took the easy way out and tried to sound witty.

Sure, the whole thread, including the subsequently edited/deleted one in which you wished some sort of horrible death on those who disagreed with you.


Fixed it for you.

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These kinds of viewpoints tend to reveal a somewhat elitist form of thinking (look what I've got and you don't - NA NA NANA NAAAAH NA) that I have personally always found a bit disgusting. Not just in clix, mind you, but in all aspects of life.
How does the fact that anyone with $40 can own Starro suddenly make it something you don't want to display? The thing still looks frickin' cool, that hasn't changed one iota, has it?
I won my Galactus, true, but my Foom was won in a raffle for buying the Convention packs. Hardly prestigious, but yet... I like displaying Foom more because it just plain looks cooler.
Sorry, just because I someone else can readily obtain something I have, it doesn't lessen my enjoyment of it in the least.
Reminds me of a guy at works who tried bragging to me about drinking a $40 shot of Scotch... not only was I completely unimpressed, I made plain to him that I thought that was one of the most insanely stupid things I could imagine anyone actually being proud about. Wiped his smug expression off pretty quickly...

I'm still working on figuring out how to get a colossal Spectre without paying for one...

After rereading what wrote, I can see how someone (i.e. you) could misinterpret what I meant. Thank you I will now clarify...
It was more focused on that IF one had won those prizes. So yes being beaten by and LE card that someone else printed out (when you played your butt/got lucky to win) would, to me, sting a bit more than failing to build a team to take down a 600 pt Starro. Granted Starro can be a pain, but if you know colossals are going to be played you should be building for them anyway.

I have Warbound. The actual, OMG prize version. It changes the game to a ridiculous level, turning subpar teams into playable, playable teams into competitive, and decent players into good ones. A player who owns one has (or had) a distinct advantage over other players who don't.

Who cares if you won a Warbound? Congratulations on building the cheesiest team that event, while getting free stuff for doing something for fun.

Maybe Wizkids should give out Pizza Trophies for prizes, instead. That way it's about the prestige and not important play elements like Warbound. If people want a medal for their efforts, cool. But it shouldn't come in the form of important game elements. Those should be readily available.

Limited availability - be it prizes, super-rares, chases, or whatever - are a necessary evil, not a bonus.