When did we ever STOP doing this? If not NC/CSM, it'd be another figure I'm sure.

I have beaten, been beaten, and as a third party, watched NC getting beaten. Nightcrawler is annoying and In 300 point games a bit cheesey, but not broken.

CSM = broken
he ignores key rules of the game and to beat him you have to build specifically to do so. and the resulting team will likley get owned by other teams not fielding CSM.

any character that can ignore stealth can put a hurting on him. I have hit him with red arrow and trick shot, and also with a Ultimates Iron man. another tactic is to force him to push or ite him up with some poison.

Crawler and here is why.
Cosmic fears
1 Psy Blast.
2 EW
3 Swarm
4 Any one w/ 4 dam
5 Mystics/ WC

Crawler fears none of the above.
Crawler is indifferent to range and gets 2 saving throws.
Crawler can depend on his team mates to heal him if a mistake is made and he takes damage.

This.

Nightcrawler is deadly in low point games. Cosmic Spidey is not.

Both characters would like map choice. Spidey is the one who needs it most... and is least likely to get it.

Nightcrawler *does* need a good team built around him (needs AV boost, for example). But Spidey has almost no choice in what team is built around him (if he wants a theme team). Thus, Nightcrawler is more flexible. You do have to play more carefully with Nightcrawler, but the benefits are worth it.

No, this problem is easy to solve. Its called EE.

Nightcrawler needs a pit crew 7 squares from him. At 300, you can have the "generic BCF" characters huddled together, in which case they are the targets, not Nightcrawler. And if NC faces a theme team, and he isnt themed, then an open clear terrain map with ranged characters will kill him and his crew.

Not to mention:

Mystics
Force Blast
Poison
Pulse Wave
Talia/Bullseye/Captain America/Kid Zoom/Anywhere outwitters (like Doom)/other silver Bullets

Nightcrawler is not so powerful that you cant beat him.

Totally agree.

and Nightcrawler because he's playable at all point levels.

I guess I have to vote Nightcrawler, here. Cosmic Spider-Man has only two clicks more life than NC, but is a staggering 233 points more! While his dial is chock-full of great powers and a somewhat ridiculous trait, the weight of his point cost does tepmer this a bit. Think of it this way. Would you rather have one Cosmic spider-Man on your team or three Nightcrawlers with 61 points of feats and/or supporting characters? Or turn it around the other way and ask yourself which you'd rather have to face? I think most would say it would be worse facing three Nightcrawlers + added feats than facing one Cosmic Spider-Man.



BTW, I know that NC is a unique figure and you can only field one at a time. If you're hung up on that you're missing the point of the illustration.

Um, while I think Nightcrawler is more potent than Spidey for his points, a team full of Nightcrawlers would not be good. Nightcrawler's best qualities are not just that he's a hard-to-hit HSS character. It's that he can drag someone back to a pit crew of hard-hitting allies. Having Nightcrawler drag an opposing figure next to another Nightcrawler isn't nearly the same thing.

So, if I had to choose between Spidey and 3 Nightcrawlers (and change), I'd go with Spidey.

Both are very powerful. I have to go with Nightcrawler, not just because of his powers which are amazing, but his keywords make it worse.

Being packaged in 300 with Question, Diana Prince, Cap America, and tons of others.

The synergy of the teams you can make with him are the issue. He is beatable, but facing him in 300 with his keyword buddies is excessive.

Cosmic Spidey is one hit away from being just pretty good, not ludicrously broken. Skrullojacket can get rid of hos Power Cosmic, but that is assuming he didn't bring a Bat Ally.

My answer is Nighty by a long shot.

I'll have to go with Cosmic Spidey, only because I don't think the Nightcrawler is broken at all. He's annoying, but not broken.

Point well taken.

Who was "teh uber" before CS and 'Crawler, BTW? I can't seem to remember.

1. Firelord
2. Hooker Bomb (esp. with Nightcrawler)
3. Black Adam
4. Ultimate Thor

After that, details are a bit hazy...

QFT.

Again I say that the word "Broken" is like a Black Lantern on HCRealms, it rises and terrorizes the site and won't die.

I I would add LAMP and Emerald Empress Nova Blast with old Alternate Fan 4 ATA, KC Flash+Nanobots+sidekick to Lockjaw.

And multiple Pouncing Universe Starter Spideys.