Nope nothing in flight says they ignore characters for movement at all. It says they can move through squares adjacent to opposing characters without stopping, but must break away normally.

This is what happens when people are not familiar with the rules or paraphrase the rules.

I think I see where you got confused. Cobra's special power forces characters with hss to break away. But Nightcrawler doesn't break away from other characters, he ignores them entirely, as per his special power.

Sure, he does ignore characters for movement. However according to Cobra's SP he should need to roll for break away.

If HSS was the only thing in play, then sure he would have to roll.

However, whenever Nightcrawler moves at all... with or without HSS... he ignores characters.

So for Nightcrawler the HSS never even enters into the equation: if Nightcrawler tries to move, he will ignore Cobra thanks to his trait.

Such a dumb figure. I'm sorry, but it was just poorly designed.

Okay, I give up. I think nearly every orange shirt has disagreed with me now. I still think it could be ruled either way (since Cobra should be able to force NC to roll breakaway before he moves), but I will resign my arguments.

With that statement you are saying people with P/T need to break away.

I really want to urge you to read the rules and try to fully understand them, rather than just paraphrase them in quick to learn "simplified" rules.

Let's look at it a different way--If there was a figure with a power that said "this figure modifies its defense by +3 against attacks using pulse wave" what would happen if that figure got attacked by someone using pulse wave? It wouldn't get the bonus, because the power would be ignored due to the wording of pulse wave. If something is ignored, it doesn't get applied, even if it normally would. Now, if the above power also said, "this power cannot be ignored," then it would apply. Similarly, if Cobra said he could not be ignored for movement purposes, THEN his power could be applied to Nightcrawler.

I thought you had to declare using P/T? Or is it automatic? I doubt it matters but meh.

I have to agree with Wakanda. The figure is definitely poorly designed with all these loopholes. It's not that HE is hard to deal with, it is he is an enabler that makes the match that much easier for an opponent.

I was going to take Wakanda's side until I saw normalview's post. I never knew he purely just ignored characters. Yeah, that alone will make Cobra ineffective against him. At least Cobra can tangle up nearly everyone else, though. That still makes him amazing!

I see what you are saying, but I think if the power specifically said they get the +3 from attacks using Pulse Wave then they would get it. Doesn't it say in the PG somewhere that wording on Special Powers can super cede wording on the PAC?

The tricky part with NC vs Cobra is that they are both SPs, so it's not clear which wording should super cede the other.

If they had HSS or Leap/Climb as well, and they were next to Cobra, then sure. I think they should.

Aren't you the high and mighty one? I've been playing this game since IC, and many rule books in the past I have 'fully learnt and understood'. If the rules hadn't changed so many times since then, the wordings wouldn't have all merged into one confusing mess in my brain. But whatever.

See, the reason that Cobra is "superceded" is that his power never comes into play at all. Cobra is ignored, so it never takes effect. Thus there is no conflict with it an Nightcrawler's trait, because it never enters the equation at all.

Common sense tells you(in most cases) like this one.
The SP says that characters can't AUTOMATICALLY breakaway.

Does NC automatically break away? Nope
Is he affect by this power? No b/c he does not automatically break away.

Your arguments has 0 rules supporting it at all.
All I hear is whining that you want it you way.

No, they should not.

Characters using Hypersonic Speed or Leap/Climb can't automatically break away from Cobra, but they add 2 to their break away rolls.


A character using Phasing/Teleport would not also be using HSS or L/C. Now if the power said "possesses" instead of "using", then you'd be on to something.

Okay then, so if Nightcrawler wants to use HSS when he is next to Cobra he would need to break away. But if he just wanted to move away then he wouldn't?

No.

Nightcrawler ignores Cobra if he tries to move. HSS involves movement.

We're starting to run out of different ways to say "Cobra's SP will not impact Nightcrawler in any significant way"...