Hopefully I can answer your question IceHot.

I think it is okay to make it easier to grow the game by making dials on cards. Building synergistic teams is part of the fun. Currently, not being able to look at the dial unless you are making your own spreadsheets/database or separate website is bad.

I called the second part "abuse" because I believe that you should not get to reference dials during the game. If the figure is yours or not, I don't think you should be able to reference stat blocks during the game in competitive events.

I am going to be somewhat hypocritical and say I do look forward to referencing the stat blocks at sealed product events. I dislike that I am not really sure what the pieces on my squad are capable of.

Thats reasonable and for the most part* the way I will be playing at home.

*(except for the team building part as I build all the teams and my son chooses the team he wants to play)

The caution to players and judges that play at public events is to realize that this is likely to be a hot topic with passionate view points that fall on different sides of the fence. Scheduling a conversation time that doesnt interrupt your play time (post-event/pre-event) where players can at least vent their beliefs might be wise for some groups.

That's not for different reasons than me. My other post was not an exhaustive list.

Just so anyone with iOS knows, there is an app on iphones that have the rules. Just search for MTN Clix and you should find it. Obviously it's just for games where in a venue where you can look at your phones, but it's there.

a mass exodus would mean... oh wait it's an hour drive to the nearest other clix venue... don't like it too bad. I don't like the choices wizkids make and have to put up with them.

But you're not using the units section during the game.


This is something I have significant concerns about. If I were in the Judge spot, I would never allow it without WK providing a ruling stating it's explicitly allowed. It's clearly against the "spirit of the game."

Two thumbs down on the card format. Squish text all on one side of the card looks terrible. Dial on the card is ridiculous and not needed or wanted by most. This will be the first set I boycott.

I give a resounding Yes! If Wizkid's wants to be dumb and put dials on the back of cards in a game where the intentional design of the figures bases were initially created and engineered to conceal most of the dial, then why the hell not...They are morons, so let them suffer the consequences of their idiocy.

Wizkid's doesn't actually have a leg to stand on in this ruling in all honesty. Just as with real law they already set the precedent from here on out by allowing the viewing of the entire figures dial, so in essence it makes all subsequent rulings null and void.

Now granted they will probably take the low-road to save face for this terrible decision by using the argumentum ad verecundiam and allowing their irrelevant authority to add credibility to their claim being made. Which is why this is considered a fallacy in logic. But when does Wizkid's ever use logic for their ruling's? Hey Wizkid's do you even logic bro...?

I liked abilities like this(attack power), and used the pieces that did cool things like this. Oh well...

Won't you actually have to just boycott all future sets? This is going to be the design on the card going forward for all of Heroclix. It would be weird to boycott one set, but then buy the others.

I'll just expose my dials willy nilly. Like a flasher.

... and now that we've heard from "the older character" who will always be revealing "his dial", the mods may close this thread.

Your "resounding yes" is irrelevant to the actual rules, though.

Considering that I'm a judge at a local venue; my "resounding yes" is in fact very relevant to the "actual" rules because I supersede them! My hypocrisy only goes so far, as I will not let terrible ruling's and horrible game design ruin this game on the local level. If they want to ruin the game on a national/competitive level then that's their prerogative.

I will take an all or nothing stance to this ruling. Either all character dials can be referenced by the player from Infinity Challenge to current or no dials can referenced by the players. I'm not allowing select figures or sets to have that distinct advantage, as it does nothing for the game but hurt it's legitimacy...

And as always Vlad your opinion is highly valued by me and I'm ever so grateful for your input as it always tends to further the discussion...

That doesn't even make sense. I have absolutely no clue where you're even getting anything about "hypocrisy" from.

Also, I think you're missing my point. The question posed in this thread was not "how do you do this at your venue?" It was "What is the rule on this?" You choosing to house rule it at your venue has no bearing on the answer to the question that was actually asked.