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I know this is a little off-topic, but I may as well ask while I've got X-fans here.
I don't read much Marvel. Ultimate X-Men is all I read regularly, and I pick up a few other titles sporadically.
What's the basic feelings about Ultimate X-Men? Personally, I really enjoy it, and I'm someone who at first completely resisted the idea of the Ultimate universe (I STILL resist Ultimate Spidey).
I've only read Ultimate X-Men up to the third story arc (World Tour), so no spoilers, if you please.
but it is mostly because Morrison is like the William Shatner of comic books.
That's an insult to Shatner! How can you say those things about the man who hawked the Vic20??? forshame.....
I wouldn't know about most things X since I stopped reading X-men in the early 80's as well........ sometime along(or after) the Dark Phoenix saga.....
I am one of the ones burnt out by the special collectible limited edition ultra super rare collectible one-time-only unique hand looked at etc etc covers of the early 90's.......
Well, that and wolverine's burgeoning overexposure and the cockroach stampede of as many X-titles as trees in the Amazon approach......
How many differrent X-titles are there?? How much angst can we handle????
I lived through disco, I'm sick of angst.
Yes, but you're a surrealist! I'm a normal guy!
Gil Zoo Crew or bust!
I'm a big fan of Ultimate X-Men, mainly because the idea of rebooting the X-universe and starting over from scratch is a fantastic one. All the great stories may be retold, and all the utter junk discarded. Although I'm not happy so far with Bendis... his turning the first several issues of his run on the book into "Ultimate Wolverine" really put me off. Now that the rest of the team is back (plus some new faces), though, I'm eager to see what he can do. Especially since the biggest problem with Millar's work on the title was that none of them except Bobby seemed like teenagers, really. If BMB knows anything, it's how to write convincing high-school age characters, so hopefully, good things are on the horizon.
"Your manuscript is both good and original; but the part that is good is not original, and the part that is original is not good."
--Samuel Johnson
Well Fox, at first I was totally against the Ultimate Titles but that all changed when I picked up the TPB of Ultimates. What an amazing read. Anyway, after that I gobbled up all the Ultimate Xmen TPBs that were out and I love it. Definately the best X-book out now. It's edgy, the storylines are great and the Xmen go around kicking alot of butt.
I'm still not a big fan of Ultimate Spidey. I had the first few TPBs and I wasn't enchanted. I recieved the rest of the TPBs for Christmas so I'm going to read through them and hope that I become a fan of the line. I did like Issue 50 with Black Cat but that's because I like anything with Black Cat.
Btw, I refuse to buy Ultimate titles in issue form other than collector issues. I'll only pick up TPBs (which is killing me because Ultimates TPB 2 still hasn't come out yet!!)
"Come on Hulk! Where's the old boasting? The battle cries? Why aren't you bellowing about how you're 'the strongest one there is'? Could it be because... you know it's not true?"
"No. Because it's just too obvious."
-Juggernaut to Hulk
Shin-Ultimat Thor may OR may Not be a GOD does that clear it up?Apparently he likes to be "worshipped"and enjoys the Halfling's Leaf.Other than that it's kinda open.
Originally posted by WarHULK Well Fox, at first I was totally against the Ultimate Titles but that all changed when I picked up the TPB of Ultimates. What an amazing read. Anyway, after that I gobbled up all the Ultimate Xmen TPBs that were out and I love it. Definately the best X-book out now. It's edgy, the storylines are great and the Xmen go around kicking alot of butt.
I'm still not a big fan of Ultimate Spidey. I had the first few TPBs and I wasn't enchanted. I recieved the rest of the TPBs for Christmas so I'm going to read through them and hope that I become a fan of the line. I did like Issue 50 with Black Cat but that's because I like anything with Black Cat.
Btw, I refuse to buy Ultimate titles in issue form other than collector issues. I'll only pick up TPBs (which is killing me because Ultimates TPB 2 still hasn't come out yet!!)
I ONLY collect TPBs. I hate reading 10 pages of a story at a time. I'd rather wait and read the entire story AS A WHOLE, even though it means I'm behind on current events in the series.
Ultimates was cool, but...I dunno. It really lacked something that I look for in a comic. Iron Man and Thor rocked in it, though.
My only complaint with Ultimate X-Men thus far is the seeming cramming of characters. Return to Weapon X introduced a SLEW of characters (Sabertooth, Juggernaut, Rouge, Nightcrawler), but the only one who really got any respect was Sabertooth. Yeah, Rouge and 'Crawler did some stuff, but not much. And Juggernaut was absolutley wasted.
Have Ultimate Gambit or Ultimate Shadowcat showed up yet?
Do you guys ever fell that the story has already been told?By that I mean-take a character like Snake Plissken of Escape From New York-not that Other movie!!!There is enough development of his character to make him interesting(much as Logan in the earlier days)to want to see his story unfold.After the movie you may speculate on what happened next to the character,but maybe the speculation is the fun part.Maybe rather than dragging it out and trying to squeeze every possible cent out of something you respect it enough to let it end.I am wrestling with this because I am trying to do a comic that ENDS.You visit the characters for awhile then they go away.This is how I felt about LOTR.We were lucky to share part of these characters lives and then let them go.The big difference between that and comics is that comics drag on forever long after the interest fades in many cases.So I guess my question is "Is leaving something to the reader's imagination wrong?"Maybe X-men has run its course.
Gambit showed up for a two parter that I really enjoyed.Croat artist Essad Ribic handled the art chores and did a great job.He paints the covers to Wolverine.Check em out.
As too Morrison and the X-Men. I think he would not have polarized fans as much with his changes if he had showed that he actually cared for the characters.
While it is true I suppose he cares for the characters he is writing, you can tell he cared flip about who those characters were before he got a hold of them. Cyclops, Grey, Charlie, Beast and the others are not the X-Men. Morrison has taken names of figures and penned totally different characters around them.
Consider Mark Waid and the drastic changes he has done with the FF. The reason I think they are different from the drastic changes Morrison has done is because you can tell Waid cared about the FF before he got a hold of them. He understood who they were, where they have been and what they meant to the fans. And he wrote to that during the changes and it paid off for him.
With Morrison, it is like, he really dug the Matrix and decided, wouldn't be great if I made the X-Men just as confusing and long winded.
You can tell he does not care about who the X-Men were. He only cares about his interpretations of the X-Men and how he has morphed them into his little pop iconic saga he wants everyone view himself as.
CRQ
I believe the term is, pimping your product
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Everywhere you look, there's a freaking Monkey doing his business!
The sad thing is, I liked the Ultimate Gambit. But I think its cause the artist slipped the cover graphic of the first Sigur Ros album onto his shirt on the cover he first appeared in.
I've been to several conventions and overheard comic writers discussing "writing in the now of comics"It's kinda like screw the next guy and anybody that wrote before me-I just have to write for the now"What kind of history does that create?
I was a huge X-Men fan, collecting "Uncanny" from #115. They've hit a lot of low points throughout the years; I'd stop collecting, start, stop, start, and was back into them for a long time til they pulled the "Revolutions" thing, around X-Men #100. I stopped reading ... and stopped collecting a year later. It does take time to realize how bad something is.