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I’m very interested in seeing where this show goes from here. I want Southpaw. I want Marsha “Volcana” Rosenberg and a dive into what makes Titania tick. I want to see her meager beginnings as awkward, unglamorous Mary McPherran. I want to see her fantasize about being powerful and admired and beautiful, able to stand up to all the people who’ve bullied her in her life and then becoming exactly what victimized her in her youth. If Mary is going to be Jen’s rival in this series, I want her to have appropriate levels of depth. What she was in this season was amusing, and Jameela sold it well, but she’s gotta be more going forward. I want the villain of the first Fantastic Four movie be Mad Thinker solely so we can get Awesome Andy. Or I guess he can be a villain in this, keep it self-contained. Either way, Awesome Andy.
Weezie from Byrne’s run won’t work, which is a shame, because she was great, and kinda key to Byrne’s criticism of comics storytelling. But she just can’t work.
But in short, this is what She-Hulk needs to do going forward.
1) Get someone on the writing staff with legal drama expertise. Charles Soule, who wrote She-Hulk for a while, is a great choice. We need more courtroom shenanigans.
2) Expand the wacky. Have the superhuman overtake GLK&H and really make it like we saw in Slott’s run.
3) Continue to hold the toxic fandom’s feet to the fire. That the Intelligencia were basically the same toxic fanboys who directed their ire at this show, Captain Marvel, 2016’s Ghostbusters, Star Wars, etc. It’s important to do this, and She-Hulk is the perfect vehicle for it.
This first season wasn’t perfect, but I still give it a big net positive. Because as I’ve said before, I can forgive a lot if you’re giving me a favorite character done right. And for all the shortcomings of the show, understanding Jen Walters wasn’t one of them. She was written right, and performed perfectly. That’s enough for me to know that this show has everything it needs to be the best. And it can get there.
ASK ME ONCE I’LL ANSWER TWICE JUST WHAT I KNOW I’LL TELL BECAUSE I WANNA!
SOUND DEVICE AND LOTS OF ICE I'LL SPELL MY NAME OUT LOUD BECAUSE I WANNA!
I can’t lie. I vastly prefer THE INCREDIBLE HULK’s Abomination. There’s no contest in my mind.
But then, I still want a direct sequel to INCREDIBLE HULK that matches its tone and brings the horror of Al Ewing's Immortal Hulk run.
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Motivational Speaker… of Hate Groups?: Shape Change. Leadership, but the opposing force treats Abomination’s Leadership as a friendly effect. If you are a member of a hate group or espouse bigoted beliefs, please politely forfeit the game and leave. After you’ve done some soul searching and made the necessary amends, you’re welcome to return.
For the specific purposes and tone of this show, this version of Abomination works. And it is vague enough that if someone else wants to use him in a more traditional capacity, he can easily go bad again, or reveal that it was all an act, or what have you. But for what they had in mind here, the bad guy changed by his extensive time in prison into an obnoxious self-help guru works.
Helps that Tim Roth was clearly enjoying himself immensely.
EDIT: I love that you're leaning into the Comedy Set mindset for these dials. It's very appropriate and a lot of fun.
ASK ME ONCE I’LL ANSWER TWICE JUST WHAT I KNOW I’LL TELL BECAUSE I WANNA!
SOUND DEVICE AND LOTS OF ICE I'LL SPELL MY NAME OUT LOUD BECAUSE I WANNA!
For the specific purposes and tone of this show, this version of Abomination works. And it is vague enough that if someone else wants to use him in a more traditional capacity, he can easily go bad again, or reveal that it was all an act, or what have you. But for what they had in mind here, the bad guy changed by his extensive time in prison into an obnoxious self-help guru works.
Helps that Tim Roth was clearly enjoying himself immensely.
EDIT: I love that you're leaning into the Comedy Set mindset for these dials. It's very appropriate and a lot of fun.
I hear you on Abomination’s personally, and that’s certainly a direction they could take. As you say, I think it worked for the show, but I still think I’d prefer if he was as scary, steely, and sociopathic as before, but every other character made fun of him for being so. Dude from a grimdark property stuck in a comedy sort of deal.
Glad you’re enjoying the dials so far! Haha the comedy rules seemed to be the best way to differentiate them and keep them flavorful with the show. Not the most accurate things I’ve ever done, but I’ll take that trade.
Ms. Nasty: If you’re twerking while you make an attack roll, modify that character’s attack by +1. This effect stops for the rest of your turn if you stop twerking during your turn.
Hey squabbler are you going to make a dial for that shapeshifting Asgardian elf character? Thought maybe Megan was gonna have a split dial to represent that.
Runa was her name I think… I think you could give Megan a +5 trait that gives her shape change and when she succeeds, you can replace her with Runa. That would be fun.
Finally finished She-Hulk, and I ended up overall high on it. I sometimes suffer from a "recency effect" of just liking whatever I last watched, but I think the show coalesced into the show I wanted it to be in its last 3 episodes of the season after a frankly dismal "Wedding Episode".
As to why it worked for me, I think it was a combination of...
1) The last few episodes mostly jettisoned the weaker law B-plots, with Episode 7 spending a whole episode with Jen and her feelings (I loved the Retreat for the record, and it's brand of humor and fan-service shout-out felt way better than most of the rest of the season) and Episode 8 being largely dominated by Daredevil and then the increasingly meta gut-punch of an ending. That all capped off in Episode 9, where the whole season's themes of how one identifies themself separate of society's expectations came to glorious fourth-wall shattering conclusions.
2) That breathing room also meant Tatiana finally got to really sink her teeth into the role. She's just one of the best actresses working today.
3) I am an unapologetic Daredevil fanboy - he's my favorite comic book character, the only character I've spent time reading significantly, and I think Charlie Cox is perfectly cast as him. Seeing Matt done right (and seeing Charlie get to play a more playful, wise veteran hero version of the character) forgives a lot of frustration with the front half of the season.
4) I love meta humor, and the show found the best way to deploy it in its final few episodes.
Totally agree with NoName's thoughts. It occurred to me that most comedies take a bit longer to find their feet - even comedies that I'd say have exceptional pilots (Modern Family, Jane the Virgin, Community, The Good Place, as a short list) are frequently not the best version of themselves for a solid 6-7 episodes, and so I hope that they get more time to get really wacky with it. And I hope if they insist on it being a legal comedy that they actually hire someone who has written for legal shows before.
Love that Megan dial - in general I love your design for this set. Makes me want an "Unset" for real 'clix, headlined by She-Hulk, Deadpool, and the GLA.
There is truth to that. It’s very rare that a comedy series is firing on all cylinders in the first season. Even truly beloved ones like Parks and Rec were pretty weak in the first season (especially Parks and Rec - that first season was a weak Office imitator). She-Hulk’s got the necessary parts to really take off and be everything it deserves to be. The show’s best episodes prove that.
ASK ME ONCE I’LL ANSWER TWICE JUST WHAT I KNOW I’LL TELL BECAUSE I WANNA!
SOUND DEVICE AND LOTS OF ICE I'LL SPELL MY NAME OUT LOUD BECAUSE I WANNA!
Hey squabbler are you going to make a dial for that shapeshifting Asgardian elf character? Thought maybe Megan was gonna have a split dial to represent that.
Runa was her name I think… I think you could give Megan a +5 trait that gives her shape change and when she succeeds, you can replace her with Runa. That would be fun.
I'd only planned on dialing recurring characters and characters obviously adapted from the comics.
Runa didn't strike me as a robust character with much worth dialing, so I'm not really interested in doing so. Same for Megan Thee Stallion & Madisynn, honestly, but I did so because they were more strongly requested and because they wound up being breakout elements.
If you'd like to make a dial for Runa, you're welcome to post it here. I'll add it to the setlist and make sure you're credited for it.
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Finally finished She-Hulk, and I ended up overall high on it. I sometimes suffer from a "recency effect" of just liking whatever I last watched, but I think the show coalesced into the show I wanted it to be in its last 3 episodes of the season after a frankly dismal "Wedding Episode".
As to why it worked for me, I think it was a combination of...
1) The last few episodes mostly jettisoned the weaker law B-plots, with Episode 7 spending a whole episode with Jen and her feelings (I loved the Retreat for the record, and it's brand of humor and fan-service shout-out felt way better than most of the rest of the season) and Episode 8 being largely dominated by Daredevil and then the increasingly meta gut-punch of an ending. That all capped off in Episode 9, where the whole season's themes of how one identifies themself separate of society's expectations came to glorious fourth-wall shattering conclusions.
2) That breathing room also meant Tatiana finally got to really sink her teeth into the role. She's just one of the best actresses working today.
3) I am an unapologetic Daredevil fanboy - he's my favorite comic book character, the only character I've spent time reading significantly, and I think Charlie Cox is perfectly cast as him. Seeing Matt done right (and seeing Charlie get to play a more playful, wise veteran hero version of the character) forgives a lot of frustration with the front half of the season.
4) I love meta humor, and the show found the best way to deploy it in its final few episodes.
Totally agree with NoName's thoughts. It occurred to me that most comedies take a bit longer to find their feet - even comedies that I'd say have exceptional pilots (Modern Family, Jane the Virgin, Community, The Good Place, as a short list) are frequently not the best version of themselves for a solid 6-7 episodes, and so I hope that they get more time to get really wacky with it. And I hope if they insist on it being a legal comedy that they actually hire someone who has written for legal shows before.
Love that Megan dial - in general I love your design for this set. Makes me want an "Unset" for real 'clix, headlined by She-Hulk, Deadpool, and the GLA.
Definitely agree that the final episodes seemed to find their footing after a season of (what sure felt like) aimless, bland Marvel mileau. Absolutely the inverse of what the Disney+ shows have been thus far.
I really, really hope the next season is a more elegant, confident, focused, funny thing. Strong[er] as the last couple episodes were, they weren't enough for me to get as far as liking the show.
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There is truth to that. It’s very rare that a comedy series is firing on all cylinders in the first season. Even truly beloved ones like Parks and Rec were pretty weak in the first season (especially Parks and Rec - that first season was a weak Office imitator). She-Hulk’s got the necessary parts to really take off and be everything it deserves to be. The show’s best episodes prove that.
And this is my inexperience with modern TV comedies coming through: I haven't watched a TV comedy since 3RD ROCK FROM THE SUN and the first season of 30 ROCK back in college. I kind of expect a TV series to always put its best foot forward, build up to greatness in 2nd & 3rd seasons, and start stumbling toward the end of the series. I'm not used to the ideas of shows stumbling out of the gate and eventually finding themselves in subsequent seasons. Haha I'm more into video games than TV, so if something requires 2 seasons to get up to speed, I'm just turning the game consoles back on.
Shapeshifting Elf: SIDELINE ACTIVE - Once per turn, a friendly character may use Shape Change, but only succeed on a 6. If the character chosen for this use of Shape Change is named Megan the Stallion, she succeeds on a 4-6 instead. When the chosen friendly character succeeds this Shape Change roll, you may immediately replace them with Runa on click #1. Runa gains immune until the end of your next turn.
Shapeshifting Elf: SIDELINE ACTIVE - Once per turn, a friendly character may use Shape Change, but only succeed on a 6. If the character chosen for this use of Shape Change is named Megan the Stallion, she succeeds on a 4-6 instead. When the chosen friendly character succeeds this Shape Change roll, you may immediately place them with Runa on click #1. Runa gains immune until the end of your next turn.
Feel free to tweak anything
Fantastic work! That’s a very complete dial! I dig the autonomous for how she keeps running away from everybody. I’ll add this to the set list.
Feel free to add an image, if you want. I try to keep their width 700 or less so it doesn’t widen the thread too much.
Spoiling the Sopranos: Tell an opponent about an at-least-10 year-old TV series. If they didn’t know what you told them, you choose one of their characters to have -1 Attack on their next turn. But It’s Not Where You Thiiiiiiink: FREE: Ask an opponent to spell one of your names or one of your favorite beverages. If they don’t spell it correctly, your force has +1 action this turn.
Madisynn was a freaking delight and this dial is too. Sure, you could make a speculative dial of Madisynn in the demon dimension, but based on what we actually saw? This is her to a tee.
Do I want Madisynn to make a return appearance on the show or become a regular character? No. Not at all. That would wear out what makes her fun so fast.
But maybe a little fake web show where she and Wongers review old TV shows together? I would watch that.
ASK ME ONCE I’LL ANSWER TWICE JUST WHAT I KNOW I’LL TELL BECAUSE I WANNA!
SOUND DEVICE AND LOTS OF ICE I'LL SPELL MY NAME OUT LOUD BECAUSE I WANNA!
Kicked Out of Kamar-Taj: If your opponent is playing a Mystical theme team, modify Donny Blaze’s attack +1 and defense -1 this game. Sling Ring: POWER: Choose a friendly or opposing character within range and line of fire and roll a d6. If friendly, your opponent chooses the placement, and if opposing, you choose the placement. That character gains immobile and immune until your next turn. If the character chosen was named Madisynn, and she was placed adjacent to character she is friendly to, for the rest of the game whenever that character is given a move action, immediately place Madisynn adjacent to that character after actions resolve. Accidentally Transported Demons: Any time an attack roll or d6 roll is a resolved and a 6 is in the finalized roll, the active player generates a Demon bystander for each 6 within 6 squares of the character that the roll was made for. Demon tokens are friendly to your force during your turn, and friendly to your opponent’s during your opponent’s turns. If at any point there are more Demon bystanders on the board than there are figures, you may ask your opponent for a truce until the bystanders are dealt with, but Donny Blaze can not use powers or abilities for the rest of the game.