Question 1> Do you like Powercreep?
Yes and no. Yes, because the game needed to creep signifigantly from it's original set to be more interesting (powers on the last click) and comic accurate (displaying the powers that need to be their . . . on the last click). Also, it's creeped a little too much. Try running any Secret Invasion figure through the point generator that's online. Compared to it's reasonably accurate calculations of sets from 05/06, you can see the SI set scaled up about 30-50% on some figures (That 50 point Spider-Man might not seem like a lot, but he really is in comparision).

Question 2> How does powercreep affect the amount you spend on new sets?
I found the power creep in SI to be very notable and while I didn't spend much money on SI, it's mostly because of the weak character selection the set had. I'm not a fan of skrulls, and haveing an X-Men every 2 years at this point is rediculous. So it was mostly character selection. Also, from what we've seen in AA so far, things do look like they creeped down a bit, but I'm more concerned with character selection (no green lanter? We better get a starter set next summer).

I think power creep will always bee in the game, and it will fluxuate. This is because the game will only ever have clix that are 11 clicks + a KO symbol deep. So a 239 point Robin could only ever take 10 clix before being KO'd. That alone should keep us balanced. And if the game ever movers to a 4x4 base standard or something, then I'm out.

I guess the "Try to fix it" option never occured to you???

Sez the guy who is wasting his own time commenting liberally in a thread written by a guy who he knew before he wasted his time reading this thread that he didn't like....and doesn't care for his opinions.

My threads to you are like donuts to Homer Simpson...you just can't resist can you?

So...for data gathering purposes:
Do YOU like powercreep?
Does it effect the amount of Heroclix you purchase?

sorry..... thought I was somewhat clear, I like it as long as it's a gentle climb (for reasons previously stated)

Well, this assumes that Power Creep (things just getting better and better for the same cost) exists. Which it might very well. But I'm not convinced yet. Assuming that the "formula" for making units has been constant, then the only way Power Creep happens is that the designers get more efficient at making units that make more sense. Which is fine, as long as they are working in the confines of the existing system.

What isn't good, and probably more of a significant issue, is Special Powers. As they don't fit into the existing system. So indications are that Special Powers *do* result in Power Creep, as Special Powers seem to tend to be wildly undercosted.

-Peter

yeah. . .


I'M the sheep, because I can actually play the game and not only have fun, but win, and you're the hero of the day, because you're standing up to the big bad warmachine, and offering everyone a chance to play a better game by fixing the rules.


Yep, I'm just waiting my execution, and you're neo




You're nothing if not consistant.

As far as time goes, it takes a decidedly less amount of time to comment on threads made by a zealot that are on the front page (Hey I also reply to other threads too!) when I have down time at work (I have the easiest job ever) than to be the heroclix messiah and develop a new game system with my name in the title (god complex? lol)

As for the valuing his opinion thing, that wasn't a question, it was pretty much a demand. You obviously didn't get the point of his post, so rather than ask a follow up question, like an angry father dealing with a pertinent child, you demanded he answer your question



Basically here's the rub


You can hate this game all you want, and wanna be jesus and change it all you want: But it's just not that big of a deal, and aside from your cronies, no else cares as much as you do, so of course we're going to tease you about it. Think of it this way, we're not crucifying you, so you're getting off light compared to what you could be getting with that attitude.

Also, does this remind anyone of the crusades?

People offer an opinion on what powercreep is, and brazil demands you answer whether you're for it or against it.

He's setting the stage for the final conflict guys. You're either for him, or you're a lemming sheep brainwashed by the evil conglomerate.

I would just like to add that I think the recent dial of 'Batman' from the Arkham set is a perfect example of how to construct a dial, make an interesting character, and not be too 'power-creepy'.

The special power ('In contact with Bruce Wayne') gives the character some nice thematic powers, but dilutes them enough so that they don't make the character too powerful for it's points. The 'Outwit' portion of the SP is especially good, as it doesn't effect other SP's...making it less useful as time goes on (that is, as SP's become more previlant).

All in all, I like the direction this is going.

I agree almost entirely with you, I would just change one sentence.

Some, like charge/flurry and hypersonic/stealth, seem to be undercosted, but in other cases, the special powers seem to be accurately- or even over-costed.

I like a slow powercreep, which is pretty much what we've gotten. Without it, the game would stagnate. Too much, and figures go out of style too quickly. The only stuff that's really unplayable due ot power creep is 4 years old, by my reckoning, so I'm good.

Given the following:

• The source material for Heroclix are comic book companies with thousands of characters
• Every Heroclix release has approximately 50 different characters (in both REVU and CURSR eras)

I can't say that I'm a big fan of power creep (if it is real or not). I understand from a "collectable game" POV why folks might argue for powercreep, but since the dial allows for so much variety anyway, I don't see the need to resort to power creep to keep longtime players interested.

Even following the accursed Tuttle strategy of driving up secondary market prices: why wouldn'tthe company want *older* figures to have as much secondary market value as newer figures?

Without powercreep, new figures have less appeal, especially as they get more and more obscure.

You're never going to get any kind of valid data from a thread of this kind. The responses and the sample size are too small and self-selecting.

The anecdotal information might be interesting, but actual data? You're going about it in entirely the wrong way.

Taking any bets that this will turn into yet another "under my rules the world is a better place" thread?