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05/16/2009, 23:06

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Quote : Originally Posted by malakim2099

Thank you.

Speaking of GenCon, I hopefully am still going. The new job might interfere, but I'm pretty confident I can make it out there.

I might abbreviate some of my attendance, but it just wouldn't be right if I missed Groovy's Red-Eye Clix Tourney. Felt bad enough skipping it last year in favor of slaughtering orcs...

It looks like I will have to skip a year of GenCon

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I am going to WWC....and after 4 years, finally for myself!

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05/16/2009, 23:08

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for all those dissing chase figs. I think there great It would be nice if there was one in each case. I do enjoy getting ahold of those hard to find pieces. The only reason some people dont like them is they have no luck getting them. Out of my 11 I have only pulled 4 but through trades and finding decent deals got the others.

I remember the looks on other peoples faces when I put K.C Sups on the map for the first time. It was sweet.....

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05/16/2009, 23:14

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Quote : Originally Posted by darius_dax1

One of the saddest things about HrC's demise is that WK just got the rights to Freddy and Jason and a few other properties...at least they kicked out that one Collector set (of which I still need to purchase!).

Yes, the sad thing about HrC was the "too little too late".

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05/16/2009, 23:15

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Quote : Originally Posted by darius_dax1

We did get the Aliens Vs Predator action packs. And the Queen Alien action pack. I really wanted to see Pumpkinhead made into a Horrorclix figure. That's my all-time favorite horror movie. It truely is a shame horrorclix died before we could see the game's full potential come forth.

And do run out and get that Jason Vs Freddy action pack. The figures are a little over-powered compared to the rest of Horrorclix's figures, but the sculpts are top-notch and it comes with a way cool 2-sided map of Freddy's boiler room and Camp Crystal Lake, and the Plot Twist cards are superb!!!

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05/16/2009, 23:20

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Quote : Originally Posted by darius_dax1

It looks like I will have to skip a year of GenCon

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I am going to WWC....and after 4 years, finally for myself!

Well, I can't go this year... but I think I might try and go next year, since it's within driving distance!

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05/16/2009, 23:21

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Quote : Originally Posted by qc_mohawks

chase figures killed this game, period...if tuttle was the only person responsible for them, then IMO he was as bad as some people think.....bottom line, chase figures killed this game.....if you are going to have a collectable game, then make the pieces collectable.....

i said they would be the end of clix when they came out, and lo & behold shortly thereafter the game is in the dumper.....

If by "shortly thereafter" you mean two years later. Chase figures did not kill the game. Not even close. I'm not sure why you would even say that. The game was "killed" because Topps shut down WizKids. I doubt chase figures factored into that decision at all.

05/16/2009, 23:21

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Quote : Originally Posted by maddragon13

I still need to complete Nightmares as well. I was really liking that set and then my Venue ran out of boosters as the game ran out of steam. Our HrC attendance was beating our HC attendance on a weekly basis until the hiatus hit for HrC...too long between new sets will kill a game too (something I forgot about in my earlier post for both HrC and BSGCCG).

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05/16/2009, 23:23

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Quote : Originally Posted by absolutvt69

absolutvt69 is right.

(Damn! Another one this week...that makes 3 so far).

qc_mohawks needs his boogey man. Carlos has Mark Tuttle and qc has chase figures.

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05/16/2009, 23:25

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Quote : Originally Posted by darius_dax1

What Nightmares figures do you need? I have a box of trade figures from that set that just collects dust. Send me your list and I'll see if I can help you out.

Man, we're getting off topic, aren't we?

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05/16/2009, 23:41

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Quote : Originally Posted by maddragon13

Yeah...but that's okay. I will try to get a list together asap.

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05/17/2009, 00:28

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Just so you HrC guys know, I look up HrC at e-Bay. Right now a case of Nightmares is selling for $35.00 (this includes S&H).

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05/17/2009, 00:48

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Quote : Originally Posted by darius_dax1

Carlos,

It is very poor form to compare and contrast the relationship between HeroClix Consumers (Players, Advocates, etc..) and Mark Tuttle to the very sad issue of domestic abuse.

That being said, not everyone shares a myopic view of what HeroClix can be.

Just because you may not like the 60 character set or the retiring of the R/E/V/U/LE system doesn't mean that everyone else feels the same way you do.

I am not saying Tuttle is a saint. But what is really odd is to see this much hatred so long after the guy is gone. Tuttle didn't kill HeroClix, TOPPS did.

Joe Hauck and Lax Chandra were the "minds" behind some of the things that killed WizKids. They made certain moves in personnel and cuts in the budget to make for a worse environment for the Envoys (whom I don't believe they respected) and the Players.

I understend the point.

You have to notice that also this thread is old and just got resurrected again. (check the date). I don't even dislike him that much now.

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05/17/2009, 00:53

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Quote : Originally Posted by Steelmage2000

Here is some points:

1. He was talking with people about the flight stand, did he take notes or write anything down? Or did he just listen, and then just "forgot" what he was told. Memory is very selective, note taking means you will be more on track then just using memory.

2. Tuttle's tone and the way he demean his customers was not good. You never treat your customers like children even if they are children. That's just customer service. If you do not understand that, "then you demonstrate you don't know how businesses operate."

3. As for Karl (Hair10) issue, from the grapevine I heard it was basically a personally clash. Something of the sort that he rub Tuttle the wrong way, again this is a rumor. No offence to you Hair10.

4. Heroclix sales was better, I have heard it go both ways. I heard heroclix sales were dropping, but I have no evidence this is true. I just do not know. Just like the statement that Mark brought Heroclix sales up, but without any evidence to back up that statement, that seems to me to be speculation on your part.
All I know is that Heroclix change dramatically in 2007 (from REV to 60), and little over 2 years time Topps closes down Wizkids. Did this have anything to do with it, it seems so, but with no evidence to back it up it is a speculation on my part.

5. The point that Mark didn't think the right to treat the product as "theirs but his", speaks volumes of his character.

I think that heroclix sales were good because oof Us and for Heroclix inself more than Tuttle. We love this game EVEN with Tuttle and all the bad things he did, and that say a LOT. If our love for heroclix would not be the way it is Heroclix would be a forgoted games by now.

05/17/2009, 01:01

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What do you mean by "us"? HCRealms? The consumers?

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Quote : Originally Posted by darius_dax1

Chase figures didn't kill the game, Topps did. HeroClix was the only thing keeping WK alive...chase figures included. WK released too many games that failed and mostly due to a lack of an AP system to support interest in the sales of these games.

Battlestar Galactica Card Game failed due to several reasons.

1. The game released during the hiatus of the "writer's strike". Any momentum due to the popularity of the show was lost when the strike occured.

2. It was just another CCG to many people. While it had some good mechanics and was a fun game that really captured the spirit of the show the gamers just saw it as another CCG in a market full of CCGs.

3. There was no initial support for this game in an Approved Play environment. The AP system for BSG came waaaay after the release of the premiere and had to play catch-up just to perform poorly in Venues.

4. When the AP was being rolled out the BSG community Manager attempted to manage the AP for the line. That failed too.

HorrorClix

1. This game needed to be 100% compatible with HeroClix to have any hope of surviving. It was not. While I had loads of fun playing it, I would have rather liked to be able to have my zombie, vampire, and werewolf hoardes attack Batman, Daredevil, and the Punisher.

2. There was an initial lack of Envoys for this line too. It was supposed to be more casual and the AP system for HrC was rushed and there was a lack of interest and support for AP from WK/TOPPS.

3. The prize kits had to be purchased and they contained 8 (I think it was 8) of the same figure. There was no prize to help draw Players to the events as most people knew you would eventually end up with one of the prizes if you waited long enough.

4. Just as this game was about to get better, with the 60 character set, WK pulled the plug. Nightmares, the last set, just got the same re-organization that Avengers and Justce League had and as much as I like the loss of REV and the 60 figure set for HC it was much more likable for HrC.

Race Day

1. Again, as it seems to be a recurring theme, this game lacked any AP. The game is fun. I am not a racing fan, quite the opposite, but this is a game that you can play for a couple of hours with some friends and really get a kick out of it.

2. There was a serious lack of promotion of this game. This is a problem for most of WK games but I think RD suffered most from this.

Star Wars Pocket Models and Halo Action Clix also suffered due to a lack of AP for these lines. Once WK was finally realized it and tried to implement AP the lines were damaged and dying.

The cuts in AP were not a Mark Tuttle decision. That was from the top. I blame Lax and Joe. They are the main culprits.

Another little anecdote to back this up. Anyone remember GenCon 2 years ago (I think it was 2 years ago) when the WK tournament hall was taken over by Cascade Games? That was a Lax and Joe decision. Look how well that turned out. [sarcasm]Late starting times for games, poor management of the Envoys and tournament hall, and a rude, condescending attitude towards Players and Envoys made these guys a personal hit with many WK loyalists...[/sarcasm]

wow I agree with almost all you said. (Except for the fact that quality go so down since Avengers that I and others associate this tot he 60 figures, even if this don't have relationship the bad quality made any memory about the 60 figs set a bad memory for me and maybe a few others).

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