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LOL! Casinos are a bit different. No way your bringing your own deck.
But is what I'm getting at is bringing carbon copies.
What if you could take proxies of Magic cards, or any other CCG cards to tourneys? Would you say bogus then?
Why even buy Magic cards if you could just copy them?
well, u are comparing apples and oranges here.
Magic, "or any other CCG" are infact, CCG (collectible card game, i had to look it up, so i'm putting it out there for other people to know)
Clix, is not a CCG, its a CMG, whereas the cards are not an essential part of the game.
you are going to extremes to make a comparison, but nothing i have seen you compare to have any relation to that of Clix, this of course is not to demean your opinion (as you are entitled to it) but more of me pointing out that your argument is lacking in substantial counter evidence.... (my personal opinion, i could be missing something here)
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LOL! Casinos are a bit different. No way your bringing your own deck.
But is what I'm getting at is bringing carbon copies.
What if you could take proxies of Magic cards, or any other CCG cards to tourneys? Would you say bogus then?
Why even buy Magic cards if you could just copy them?
Again because they aren't allowed. Magic, and other card games, are most likely never going to allow proxies of cards because the cards are the main element to the game. Just like WizKids is never going to allow proxy figures because the figures are the main element to the game.
I think NECA / WizKids should be thankful for what they get. Without consumers who have stayed loyal through all the nonsense that Topps put us through, they wouldn't have a game to sell.
Its you, I, and everyone here that should be thanked. HCRealms would shrivel up without us, WizKids would shrivel up without us. It's consumers that drive business.
HCRealms gives us an awesome product, which is why we stick around. WizKids gives us an awesome product, that is why we stick around.
When a company cuts quality, they lose customers. When they put out an inferior product they lose money.
How many people bought Sega 32X? (I did, but I'm hardcore). How many people bought SportsClix? How many people bought Crimson Skies miniature game?
My point, as long as WizKids gives us a quality product, we'll put our money in their pockets. But without us, they are nothing. If HeroClix didn't exist, my expendable resources would be going elsewhere to another company for some other form of entertainment.
I'm not sure what any of this has to do with print and play. You're talking about listening to the consumers... well look at the polls on here. An overwhelming majority of people favor the print and play decision. This isn't WK putting out an "inferior product". And if anything it points to WK taking their customer's wishes into consideration. And yes customer are important but your post comes off as a bit self-righteous. Believe it or not, the customer is NOT always right... that's a horrible business cliche that irritates me to no end. BTW, I bought SportsClix. I'm not sure what the point of bringing that up was... are you saying it was an inferior/low quality product? Because it wasn't really a quality problem... it just wasn't popular enough. The figures could have been hand painted and the line still probably would have gone under.
They are not? I beg to differ. At venues, and in friendly games, Feats, BFCs, and Special Objects are used about 99% of time by all players.
If that's not essential, I don't know what is.
Honestly, how often do you NOT use any type of cardboard in a game? Any of you? How often do you, or your opponent not use cardboard?
Cardboard is a very essential part of the game.
Bystander Tokens are used quite a bit as well.
We probably have a "No cardboard" event once every couple months. I probably play a team w/ no feats at all once a month or once every other month. Sometimes it's just easier to make a team and not have to worry about finding cards, explaining them to your opponent, etc.
I don't see how this is more boring. Players may now use any feat or BFC in the game. Unless your team is prepared for every scenario, you can still be surprised. There's actually an even greater chance of throwing off your opponents now since we have every feat/bfc available to us.
You like being surprised because Tim is playing warbound and you didn't know he had it? Now you'll never know what he has until he reveals his team. It could include any cardboard element in the game! Boredom averted!
The game is still primarily about the figures, not the cardboard, by the way. Take your unpredictability factor from the figures, if it helps. Hopefully you can still enjoy the game even with "print and play."
i see what your saying. i just play with a very small group (3-5). we are all into other hobbies like paintball or xbox live etc. etc. so we all talk about the game and everyone knows usually what everyone else has. so sometimes it was fun to keep it hidden that i got a new le feat that they couldn't have took in consideration and pop it out and strike fear into them even if it doesn't do that much for my team. ill still enjoy playing just in a different way i guess.
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1. absolutely necessary; indispensable: Discipline is essential in an army.
2. pertaining to or constituting the essence of a thing.
I can, and often do, play without any Feats or BFCs. They may have become an important part of the game, but they are not essential.
Ah, they are not absolutely necessary, but they sure are indispensable!!!
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The feat cards have been indispensable, all-important, of the utmost importance, vital, crucial, key, invaluable in my victories over my opponents.
I do see that, I mean, I love collecting games. There is little joy as interesting and fun as sitting down with a new box of cards and cracking into it. Or the mystery of seeing what's in a fresh pack of cards/clix.
But over time, lets face it, the joy of collecting has faded a little. As CCGs and Minis have become something less than the newest-fad, the excitement and mystery have subsided. I don't buy single packs of Magic and piecemeal decks together from the boxes of hodgepodge like I did in High School. I don't have a great deal of pride in my collection like I did back when I used to have to scrimp and save for every bit of my Star Wars collection.
Now I just buy a dang case of the set and pull 90% of it in one swoop.. and THEN I buy what I'm missing in the most cost-effective way possible. Its not about hunting or collecting, its just business. I want to have all of the possible options to play with at my disposal, and I want them ASAP.
And the hunt is cool, I agree. I remember how feverishly I hunted down each issue of Marvel's Akira GN's back when they had colorized them. Those were pretty obscure books, especially after the four year hiatus, and having the grab them all from Cons in Kansas, it took me about six cons to finally collect all 38 issues. And everyone was a major, MAJOR excitement. And then I had them all, and the thrill was gone.
But time has passed and, lets face it, there really is no hunt anymore. If I want anything, I can go to ebay at any moment of any day, type in Akira or what have you, and there it is. Five or six or even a hundred of anything at any time. There is literally no challenge or sport to finding anything that exists for this game. Every piece you ever wanted is on ebay (except that one Wolverine piece). the only thing it takes is money.
And now in that same passage of time, I look at my other gamers, especially the younger ones, with a bit of sympathy. A lot of our Clixers are in High School or College. A lot of them work part time, have rent to pay. Sure, they don't have the debts and house payment that the older guys have, but they only make $7 per hour and have to eat off of that. Think of that, one pack of clix is two hours of labor for a lot of our player base our there. They don't have a lot of disposable income to throw down (especially if they plan on getting girlfriends). Yet they play and collect because they love it.
But one of the things I have NEVER enjoyed collecting in this game is the cardboard. The figures are the center of the game, and the cardboard is just something to highlight them. Heck, they don't even have a rarity level. So I have really hated how some players have just collected massive amounts of old, essentially UC cardboard pieces, and now all my fellow players have to drop $20, 3 hours of hard earned income, on a square of cardboard. On an accessory.
Hindsight has taught me that a game is more fun and the environment healthier if everyone has access to as much as possible. Let the junior players have free cardboard. Is that really what you were collecting anyway? Suddenly, they can play alongside you at tournaments, and their limited figure supply can do everything it was supposed to do.
You, meanwhile, Mr. Collector, can still enjoy the hunt of getting all those plastic LE men and Marquis Victor Creeds and whatever Con Exclusives may come in the future.
Oh... what's that? Do you hear something? Why yes, its a reclusive World's Finest. Oh, and a beautiful 500 pointer at that. Do you see it? Its hiding in the Ebay over there. Here's $50, fire away.
this is all true. im just worried this is the start of something bad. im afraid that the character cards are going to vanish and whenever you pull a figure you have to then print off the character card for it. hopefully that will never happen and it probably wont, but i will always have that creeping sense of doom when companies start making it cheaper on themselves by eliminating game elements and dont lower the price tag.
Ah, they are not absolutely necessary, but they sure are indispensable!!!
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The feat cards have been indispensable, all-important, of the utmost importance, vital, crucial, key, invaluable in my victories over my opponents.
Want to quote the dictionary some more?
No, it wouldn't be fair - you have yet to do it (or if you have, you actually haven't quoted the *source* of your Thesaurus). But, please, anytime you'd like to start, feel free. It would be interesting to see you introduce facts into the discussion.
I am in awe of the cool and awesome people here on HCR!
Ah, they are not absolutely necessary, but they sure are indispensable!!!
Want to quote the dictionary some more?
In the end though they are optional for game play (and pretty much always have been)... you may NEED them to win but other people do not and you are able to legally field a team w/o them.
It is sad that regardless of a person's view point it can be deemed as wrong just because not everyone agrees with it. If the person does not like something and can give a correct reason about why they don't like it then they have a valid point. Just like how people who do like it have a correct reason and making their valid point.
You could either agree or disagree, but no matter how you say it you should not end it snidely such as it happened get over it, stop crying, if you don't like it quit the game. Most of these remarks are not made in jest, not made to provoke thoughtful discussion but more of a flame war.
but isn't that igniting a flame war when you say get over it, and stop crying.
im not trying to argue against your point because you are right, but when i do try to make a statement from my point of view i do get a hundred post about why they dont agree which is fine yet the make comments like get over it which makes me think why do i even post if nobody WANTS to listen. also maybe im confused on which post you are referring to.
No, it wouldn't be fair - you have yet to do it (or if you have, you actually haven't quoted the *source* of your Thesaurus). But, please, anytime you'd like to start, feel free. It would be interesting to see you introduce facts into the discussion.
The source is my Dictionary and Thesarus v. 1.0.2 on my Macintosh, running Mac OS 10.4.11. Copyright 2005.
But if you wan, I can quote Websters as well. I have two different versions.