Go with Pestilence.

So what your saying is at the end of the game, Manhattan is no longer part of my force?

It's right in the PG:

Cosmic Spiderman, Ganthet/Scar for 2 bog figs then put on enough cosmic characters for theme team. And hope to get map. Go with lots of blocking and wall terrain, and just pick away.

Yes, he is not defeated and is on the side that is the only side that still has characters left that weren't defeated. That side wins.

no it depends.
If there were any points awarded then that person would win.
If no points were scored then it goes to a roll off.

What characters deal penetrating damage as specified in their special powers?

Dr. Manhattan ignores EW PB poison, so those don't work. Also, can't be outwitted.

That PG entry must not have been updated when the rules changed. It would have worked that way under the Danger Room rules. The Determining The Winner rules changed with Fantastic Four.

Points are only used if BOTH sides have surviving characters, or if neither side does. If one side has them and the other doesn't, points don't matter for determining the winner.

Well, I used the 600 point (retail) Manhattan in a game once and he pretty much crushed everybody, despite only having an 18 defense with invulnerability to start. The main thing that made Manhattan scary was the 16 range. Be aware that Manhattan has a ridiculous range.

So, you're going to have to deal with Manhattan's huge range. One possibility would be to use characters like Magneto (halves opponent's range) or Invisible Woman (have to be close enough to shoot her). But you probably can't fill a team with just those guys. Another possibility is to have a lot of ES/D, to try to avoid getting hit (and again, Magneto is a good choice for this). If this was Golden Age, I'd suggest BFCs like Darkness or Deep Shadows, but since you're talking Modern Age, that won't help.

I'd suggest a map that will cramp his style. But keep in mind, Manhattan can destroy a heck of a lot of terrain quickly. Someone tried to trap my Manhattan in the prison map but it didn't do much good as I smashed everything in the way. You might consider the Fantastic Four starter map (with the force fields) so that you have a chance to get close to Manhattan before he can destroy you.

Other than those suggestions, I'd recommend characters that can rush Manhattan. Getting close enough to him quickly will negate the range advantage. For example, if an army of Lightspeeds (using free move abilities thanks to Stryfe) carry your entire team right up to Manhattan, well, he'll be able to attack and hit some of your guys, but the important thing is that you'll be able to attack him afterwards and maybe whittle him down a bit.

But don't put all your eggs in one basket position-wise because he can attack and then move, so you might have done all this for nothing.

Those are my suggestions. I don't know how well they'll work, but those are the sorts of things I would've feared when I used Manhattan.

correct in this case both side do have surviving characters, just b/c you don't control him does not mean he is not surviving.

Per the rule book
If only one player has surviving (undefeated) characters at the end of the game, that player is the winner.

So since both side have surviving characters it would go to the next part which is
Otherwise, at the end of the game all players count their victory points (see below). Whoever scores the most victory points wins the
game.

Well if no characters were KO'ed it is 0-0 so then we go to the next part.
If two players played as an allied team, their points are added together. If there is a tie in victory points, all tied players roll 2d6 and the player with the highest total result wins.


So as I said it would come to a dice roll off.

There is no depute over whether or not he is surviving.

He is surviving and he is currently controlled by the only player that still has surviving characters.

The only way it works the way people want to twist it to work is if the original player is considered still "have" him at the end of the game. I would say that they are not. The other side now "has" him. They win because they do have surviving characters left and the original controlling player now has no surviving characters.

Player 1 with Possession
Player 2 with Dr. M

Does player 1 have undefeated characters? Yes
Does player 2 have undefeated characters? Yes(none of his characters were defeated at all.)

They even say that surviving=undefeated
per the rule book defeated "DEFEATED: A character that is knocked out and removed from the"

Dr. M was no defeated so he was undefeated and there for both players still have undefeated characters.

There's no twisting.

That's the way it works.

The character is no nonger on your opponent's force once the game has ended.

Dr. M.'s controller has a surviving character...Dr. M.

I've already built a team that's pretty evil & Modern Age
Dr. Manhattan 600 (Retail)
Ruling Caste Dominator
Mr. Fantastic
2x Researchers
Dr. Strange (Secret Invasion)
Jason Blood
grand total 1000

I know it's mean and your opponent is pretty screwed because in order to stay out of range he can't leave his starting area. Which sucks for colossi like Foom because they have 3x6 bases so Manhattan can hit them with out leaving his starting area .